> What is it with the Musk hate?

Repeated promises and claims which turn out false.

He is extremely arrogant and annoying. For example used "Pedo Guy" as insult at Twitter toward someone who committed crime of disagreeing with him, proceeded to claim that this does not mean "pedophile" in court.

And claimed that this person "married" 12 year old girl (actually, she was 32 years old).

Also, Musk has bunch of annoying fans.

(that is among some legitimate reasons, many hate him BECAUSE he is successful)

> dozen other things that will save humanity

That is really overstating it, and case of annoying fanboyism.

(personally I appreciate some achievements and see his role in that - without giving 100% credit to leader, confused why people praise some projects already, but see no reason to engage in fanboyism or Musk hate)

> Why do you bring it up?

Because someone asked why some people hate him?

> It was years ago

Falsely accusing people of being pedophile and raping 12 year old is not something where saying "sorry" is sufficient to never bring it up.

> What claims “turned out false”?

Are you really unaware of numerous missed promises, deadlines etc?

I didn’t know that at the time, as Elon had a better reputation then and I presumed that as a billionaire he would have access to interesting information. The fact that he was willing to double down on the claim suggested a source to his confidence.

Its ok to not defend bad behaviour from people you otherwise admire.

Was that before or after he hired a PI to investigate said person to see if he could find any dirt to defame him further, after continuing to double down on the pedophile accusations, further calling him a child rapist, and marrying a 12 year old.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-hired...

Doesn't sound like a one off lightly lobbed, 1 in 50000 fluke to me.

Throwing out grave insults because someone on the internet doesn't like your idea is a pretty good tell of the sort of character he is, even if it was 4 years ago.

Adding to the list of reasons to dislike him, there's him trying to get a lawyer who interviewed him for the SEC fired from his new unrelated job.

> What claims “turned out false”?

Here is a small subset: https://elonsbrokenpromises.com/

That site is BS though. It takes estimates and misquotes them as "promises."

When asked when "full self-driving" would be available, he said

> 3 month maybe

THAT is an estimate, but then he continued

> 6 months definitely.

THAT is a promise.

It continues like that.

Also, as CEO of Tesla, and with his Twitter account listed as an official source of information, he cannot just willy-nilly make "estimates“ completely and utterly removed from reality. This is misleading investors and customers, for which he repeatedly got in trouble.

To put it politely the best possible interpretation of what you have said is that you are very confused and have poor reading comprehension, and because of this you are mistaken.

First, that is not at all what he was asked. The question is quoted right on the site you seem to think is so great.

Second, what he said did come true. The two levels of functionality did and do differ significantly, such as with summon and lane changes.

The other quotes on the site are even weaker sauce.

> It was years ago.

Not original commenter, but, so what if it's a while ago, from appearances it's not like his character has changed that much from being a major dickhead. He dismissed Covid as nothing because it would've been bad for his factories' output (he didn't say this but let's draw conclusions). Oh that's 2 years ago, also old news?

"Suddenly" is a bit reductive, no?

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/utes3n/comment/...

I find it hard to believe that someone so rich, yet so petty will "save humanity".

> What is it with the Musk hate?

After he accused a random guy of being a pedophile because he saved a dozen kids, after he lied about making Tesla a private company, after he lied about Tesla accepting bitcoins as payment (just to speculate on BTC), it should be evident to everybody that Musk is not to be trusted. It wouldn’t surprise me if he pretended to buy Twitter to speculate on price changes with some weird derivatives.

None of what you claimed is true. Why are you doing that?

at least "accused a random guy of being a pedophile" is true, though "because he saved a dozen kids" part is not true

nevertheless, "accused a random guy of being a pedophile" is damming

Wow the one with the most money has to pay the most taxes? A wonder. Why is this the first time tho?

In the US you only pay capital gains tax on stock when you sell. So it can look like you made a big profit year after year if the stock you own goes up, and it looks like you didn’t pay any tax. But that money isn’t available to you until you sell, and that’s when the tax comes into effect. This applies to everyone, and so it can look like a tax dodge, but it’s just the way things are accounted.

Actually, that stock appreciation value IS available to you. You can get a very low interest (sub 1%) loan using your stock as collateral. If you have enough stock (like the very wealthy), you can just keep doing this and paying off the interest with more loans.

Then, when you die, your estate can take advantage of the step up rule. Which means that instead of using the original value of the stock you bought as a basis to calculate your profits, the basis is "stepped up" to the value of your stock on the day you died. After which, your estate can sell the stock and pay no taxes and then pay off the loans you lived off of your whole life.

And that is exactly why companies with founders that own lots of shares are no longer paying out dividends and trying to make a profit. They simply put everything possible back into growing the stock price eternally. Because dividends are taxed. Stock appreciation, if you are rich enough, is not.

Pro-tip: use the money you borrow to pump the price of your stock to increase your leverage

Amazing tip, thanks!

> Wow the one with the most money has to pay the most taxes? A wonder. Why is this the first time tho?

Because he didn't have money before; he had paper wealth. Some media pretends that they're the same to keep you clicking. Now he's sold, he pays tax on it, because he gained capital.

I dislike people who don't apply the same rules they apply to others to themselves such as Musk saying you have to be in the office 40+ hours per week when that isn't physically possible for him to do given how many companies he runs.

I also dislike those who get lots of help from others to become rich and powerful then use their power to stop others from getting the same help, which he has done.

> What is it with the Musk hate?

HN users consider themselves consumers first and foremost. The investor, techno-utopian believer, fanboy of companies..they are all sides which are secondary to the consumer one . At least on HN.

Despite all the media frenzy and fanfare about mr.Musk, the American consumer received next to nothing from him in terms of quality of life. And it's not like he's a young crypto-bro still finding himself. Guy is 50, has been doing this for 30 years. When I say "doing this" I mean offloading overpriced equity onto bigger fools using lies, deception and cult of personality.

Teslas for example still account for less than 1% of total vehicles sold globally in FY21. And it has been a slow year...also mr. Musk has been at the helm of Tesla for 20 years now. Less than 1% in 20 years...it means that the consumer is getting nothing.

He converted the worldwide car industry to electric. Every single large car manufacturer was forced by Musk to abandon fossil fuel.

He sells more top tier cars than all German car makers combined, for five years already.

And that’s nothing compared to what he does for space flight and the long term survival of conscience in the universe.

You seem to be very badly informed.

> Every single large car manufacturer was forced by Musk

Dude, business ain't politics.

You have to be the person signing off the quality of life if you want people to shake your hand and pat your shoulder.

Musk is signing off quality of life for essentially nobody (1% of total vehicles sold globally in FY21) and those who are on the receiving end, they already have plenty of quality of life given that Teslas are basically luxury vehicles.

Real quality of life for everybody is Microsoft being used everywhere ranging from Bel Air to subsaharan Africa, same for Google, Facebook, Amazon. Even financial companies, you can find an HSBC or a Barclays branch in Lagos or Accra or Abuja, just as you can find them in NYC or LA for God's sake.

Another type of quality of life is Pfizer/Moderna 4$ vaccine injected in the arms of everybody in the developed world within 24 months from the emergence of a new virus, and AstraZeneca 0.10$ vaccine taking care of the developing world and especially India when they were burning bodies in the streets.

> You seem to be very badly informed.

You seem very insulated in your bubble of wealth and internet echo-chambers. Numbers don't lie. Musk companies are defacto non-existent in the real world. They provide quality of life to essentially nobody, and in fact you basiclly don't see them anywhere outside of places where huge amount of wealth is concentrated.

Narrative and headlines is the only metric in which such companies dominate.

Because it’s in the interest of people who view themselves as aspiring elites to be anti-anti-establishment. Don’t let the term hacker fool you; it’s been culturally appropriated to mask the corporate ponzi scheme that is venture capitalism.

your snark is unwarranted and incorrect... when Gates and Bezos held the title of the world's wealthiest, they did not pay the most in taxes.