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Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by zozbot234 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @03:58PM (#31673150)
> School was never meant to be "engaging".

That's backwards. A school that doesn't engage its students has failed at its most important goals, and the very best schools have always striven to be engaging. Often this was done in unconventional ways, such as directing the youngest students to memorize their pre-set "lessons" word for word and be able to literally chant them back to the teacher. Similarly "direct" yet effective instructional methods were just as common wrt. practical exercises and problem solving. There was no space for the modern fashionable truism that "constructing" one's education from scratch, with practically no involvement from an outside educator, is the only possible source of engagement.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by thegrimmest on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:10PM (#31673310)
I guess we're circling around this question: Should schools bend to the natural tendencies of students, or should students bend to the rigours and structure of academic life?

Given that society itself doesn't bend much, I'm inclined towards the latter.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by sealaska on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:35PM (#31674612)
Do you think kids should have recess? If so, for what purpose?

Or, what do you think of Montessori education?

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by thegrimmest on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @05:59PM (#31674901)
> Do you think kids should have recess? If so, for what purpose?

Sure, for the same reason that adults take coffee breaks. This doesn't seem to contradict what I said. In fact it's a very clear delineation between recreation and work. The problem is when children (or adults) behave as though they're on recess when they're supposed to be working.

> Or, what do you think of Montessori education?

I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem as though the educator/pupil ratios required to make it work are scalable.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by chelical on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:50PM (#31677381)
>Montessori education

Why do people always mention this like it isn't a niche educational experience that already self-selects for the children of well-off, white parents? Montessori is almost as relevant to the public education discourse as Catholic schools imo.