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Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by wbsss4412 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:01PM (#31671515)
I don’t have a problem with gifted programs in principle, but it’s also fair to ask how they are working in practice.

People in this thread are up in arms about the principle, but the reason that they are being challenged is based on how they operate in practice.

Do all children have equal access? Nominally, maybe. But that’s de facto not the case.

Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by mistrial9 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:24PM (#31673487)
no, they closed the gifted programs in the urban school system I attended, at that time, right after Music Education. The emphasis went to "no child left behind" whatever that is, sports programs, armed guards (yes), and at high school, loans and grants for college admission. Advanced placement ? most gifted kids and almost every single girl from my neighborhood, disappeared in a blink at grade 8.
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by abfan1127 on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:27PM (#31673528)
not only is it entirely fair to ask how they work in practice, but we must do so. Do all children have equal access? maybe is your answer. The solution to get more access isn't to eliminate it. Its to educate parents in groups who "should" be in it but aren't.
Re:The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted edu... by kaba0 on Thursday June 09, 2022 @04:14AM (#31678763)
Sure, larger socioeconomic problems will definitely turn up in statistics, because it turns out that being gifted heavily relies on parental model, and many many other things. Even a very motivated child will fail to partake in such a problem if he/she has serious problems at home, e.g. being beaten, having to work to support the family, etc.

But I feel it is very unfair, outright evil to take away an opportunity from gifted people (both from privileged families and a few from very bad families that would have been lifted up by said programs!! The aforementioned example could perhaps break the cycle and get a much much better life than any of his/her relatives) on the basis that the statistics on the enrolled will be biased. It is not the task of such a small-scale program to solve a huge, complex problem that probably can only be solved in decades if ever.