Luckily, Justice Department and FBI will likely have no incentives for investigating that given how they actively positioned themselves in the political debate. So we may never find out.

So then what, if not investigations or evidence, has lead you to believe that this fraud happened?

Oh there are plenty of evidences. There were even before the election. There were postal officials who were destroying ballots in one state that was well reported. We just decided to look the other way.

So much evidence, which was so well reported, that you can't be bothered to provide any falsifiable details whatsoever.

Why did you choose to look the other way? Pretty amazing that you'd openly admit to having proof of this and not back it up. We had a presidential candidate go to court over this and not present any evidence of this wide-scale election fraud nor would they even admit to this massive fraud in a court of law.

Still, shame on you.

> not back it up

All you need to do is google. Here is one https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/usps-postal-service-employe...

The federal government isn't the only organization investigating election fraud. For instance, Abbott (The Republican governor of Texas) launched his own investigation. It found evidence of voter fraud outside of Texas. Apparently, one Republican attempted to vote twice. No outcomes were affected.

Of course, all 50 states have elections offices that are also tasked with looking for internal fraud. Those offices are staffed by Republican appointees in many of the swing states Trump is complaining so bitterly about. Collectively, they came up with nothing.

Since the Democrats don't control many of the organizations that are supposedly covering up massive election fraud, who do you think is responsible?

Whoever this group is, any plausible conspiracy theory will need to include Democrats, old-school Republicans, and Republicans that are endorsed by Trump.

I mean, except for literally all the cases where they do investigate and prosecute, such as this very thread that we are posting in.

Good thing we have an administration right now that is actually doing something the previous administration didn't do.

There is no evidence of fraud because our institutions are unwilling to investigate allegations of fraud. If you ask why they aren't willing to investigate fraud, there's an excuse for that. Then, any attempt to audit or secure the election process is shot down with another excuse. Then you start to wonder, how long has this been happening for? No wonder there is zero confidence in this system - it's all corrupt. Then they gaslight people into thinking that the mere discussion of fraud in public is causing people to lose confidence in our democracy. Amazing times we live in.

Actually, there's plenty of evidence of fraud. This article is an announcement of the prosecution of some of it.

What's lacking is evidence of widespread fraud sufficiently coordinated and systemic to sway the results of a national Presidential election, which we aren't seeing because the system is already set up to monitor for it. 2020 wasn't the US's first time to the election roe-day-oh, and there's been 200 years of infrastructure put in place to detect and punish fraud, malfeasance, and attempts to infringe, dilute, or steal people's right to vote. That's why the claims one candidate made are extraordinary (and they failed to pass a smell test, much less bring actionable claims or evidence that would withstand legal scrutiny).

Most claims we see bandied about online are so risibly ignorant of the existing process that anyone with basic knowledge of how elections work does not take them seriously. They're equivalent in credibility and grasp of the system's machinery itself to saying foreign agents can compromise your computer by infiltrating the 1-bit.

To be clear: I'm excited that people are interested in the process (welcome to the club! There are literally t-shirts!). But I'm disheartened how many people come to the conversation thinking they already know how it works when, no, they don't; like many large and old systems, it has non-obvious quirks and Chesterton's Fences, and common sense doesn't always match up with the how or why of the system. Screaming "fraud" every time one sees something one doesn't understand isn't how one learns; it's how one guarantees continuation of ignorance.

Precisely, the fraud is so prevalent and grotesque gaslighting is the only mechanism to deal with it.