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Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by hedora on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:07AM (#31668443)
Hey, that's easier than razing and rebuilding US cities that were built under the assumption everyone has a car.

(Among other things, they have road topologies that make buses and bikes completely infeasible.)

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by vineyardmike on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @12:33PM (#31669872)
> Among other things, they have road topologies that make buses and bikes completely infeasible

If the hilly San Francisco can have lots of bikes and buses (…and cable cars and street cars and light rail and commuter rail) then so can most cities.

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by hedora on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:25PM (#31673508)
Hills aren't the problem. Urban sprawl is, and so are irregular road grids with uniform density everywhere.

SF is compact, and has a few main drags where it makes sense to have trollies / bus lines. It also has a well-defined city center, so a hub and spoke transit system mostly works there.

In contrast, public transit doesn't even really make sense in South Bay. It was (mostly) laid out when public transit was common, but now there are multiple mini-downtown areas without train service, and many of the tracks have been ripped out.

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by throwntoday on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @02:55PM (#31672276)
I hardly see any bikes in downtown SF, I can't imagine anyone is riding them elsewhere.
Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by vineyardmike on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @04:24PM (#31673486)
You should see the rest of the country, there’s even fewer bikes in most places.

But downtown doesn’t need bikes. There’s amble public transit and everything is close by. Most people I know who bike use it for longer distances, eg the base of Bernal Heights to downtown via mission+market. Or going from Caltrain to sunset.

Re:Ask HN: Tesla is making us move or quit. Would I get seve... by evanfarrar on Wednesday June 08, 2022 @11:46AM (#31669107)
We already razed the cities once to build the roads.