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Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by baisq on Monday June 06, 2022 @09:08AM (#31639968)
No one is going to literally take away anybody's car. They will increase the price of using one so much as to make it impossible for poor people to keep their cars.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by wing-_-nuts on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:43AM (#31641132)
We're only talking about pricing in the externalities that societies already pay for you. I favor a revenue neutral carbon tax. Increase the cost of fossil fuels and give it back as reduced income tax. Let the people find ways to 'dodge' this tax by reduced emissions.

If you properly price an externality, the free market will help you deal with it.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by TurningCanadian on Monday June 06, 2022 @09:39AM (#31640289)
The only fair price of using a car accounts for the price of removing its GHG emissions from the air. If operating a car costs less than that, then we are all indirectly subsidizing the use of cars, and we'd all be better off subsidizing the use of electric cars / public transport / etc. If using a car costs more than that, then we are unfairly targeting cars.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by xorcist on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:11AM (#31640745)
We are not only indirectly subsidizing cars, we are directly subsidizing it in several ways.

It can be in the form of direct support of various activities of the petroleum industry, such as drilling, refinement and pipelines in the name of creating new jobs, but also in giant infrastructure projects reserved for cars, and legal requirements of square meter prices for car parking many orders of magnitude below market cost.

It was the way post-war society was built up and will take a very long time to change. It's so entrenched that once you start seeing it, it is really everywhere.

Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by triceratops on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:09AM (#31640702)
Do you have so little faith in the free market? Do you really think no one is capable of coming up with a cheap enough car that is climate friendly, if they had to?
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by swader999 on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:40AM (#31641093)
E bike comes very close.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by triceratops on Monday June 06, 2022 @10:46AM (#31641169)
Oh yeah e-bikes are amazing. I just wish they were cheaper.
Re:Carbon dioxide now more than 50% higher than pre-industri... by swader999 on Monday June 06, 2022 @12:41PM (#31642709)
They are if you build your own using a used bike. Check out ebikes.ca and https://endless-sphere.com/forums/