Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ...
by didibus on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:15PM
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I'm not sure what you're saying, that we should make the same mistakes we did in Iraq with Ukraine as well? Why repeat the same mistakes?
Yes, we didn't sanction them, and you seem to argue we should have, and I agree. That's why I think with Ukraine this time we're doing the right thing, same thing we should have done with Iraq. Do you disagree?
Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ...
by ajsnigrutin on Saturday June 04, 2022 @06:52PM
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But for americans (and a lot of EU nato members) it's not a "mistake" but just a daily part of their war-fueling politics. If US had to wait until ukraine to realize that all of their wars were "mistakes", why did they send soldiers to somalia after the start of ukraine war? If they sent soldiers there, is it really by mistake? And if they sent soldiers there, shouldn't they be sanctioned? Shouldn't a bunch of other countries be sanctioned for invading afghanistan? Or syria, lybia etc (and still having soldiers there)? Are we really doing the same thing by sanctioning russia, while we (nato members) have our soldiers occpying quite a few countries around the world? If it's a mistake, why not atleast bring them home and stop the occupation, befure we point the finger at putin?
Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ...
by didibus on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:00PM
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So you're for the war in Ukraine and in all the other countries and against any effort to stop them?
Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ...
by ajsnigrutin on Sunday June 05, 2022 @06:08AM
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No, I'm saying that we're all the "baddies", and that we should either sanction every country that is occupying any other sovereing country (and that includes most of the nato countries, including mine), or, (preferably by me), we should pull our armies out of those countries, stop being the agressors, and then point the finger at putin. Why the hell does slovenia (my country) have soldiers in fucking Syria? Who asked us to go there? We even have to pay a lot of money to have them there.. for what? What effort have we, the EU, the americans, the "friendly west countries" invested into stopping ourselves from occupying all those countries?
But we didn't sanction them. We're still friends with them. We even helped them.
> but at the time, part of Europe also thought that if Iraq had nuclear weapons they'd be a threat to them.
I'm pretty sure 'we' (our leaders, who sent our armies there) knew that iraq had no such weapons... Tony Blair even half admited it.
> Normally we should learn from past mistakes, Iraq was a mistake, the world should have acted different back then and didn't. Now Ukraine is a chance to do better and act as we should have in Iraq.
So, we knew iraq was a mistake, and we stopped? After the first time? Or after the second time? What about syria? Libya? What about somalia? Didn't biden just send more troops there? I won't even mention afghanistan... US basically armed the terrorists for the next few decades with their pull-out.
> Ukraine is not as clear, in appearance it seems they are on a good path to have more individual rights and prosperity, and it looks like Russia's trying to stop them from doing so. Is that completely accurate, hard to say, but probability wise it is a possibility.
Let's be fair... ukraine has areas where a lot of russians live, and they weren't very nice to those russians (and i mean "nice" in the same way as israelis are not "nice" to palestinians...). Somehow many people have forgot about those things (ukraine) or don't care about the others (isreal).