Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food and energy costs rise

Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by synu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:02AM (#31621110)

You can find embarrassing far right extremists and parties in every country these days. Ukraine is hardly a new nazi Germany.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by pydry on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:38AM (#31621605)

Azov isnt unique because it has extremists. It's unique because:

* It was founded by a nazi and most of its members appear to be nazis.

* It committed atrocities in a civil war against ethnic russians.

* It was instrumental in keeping ethnically russian majority areas of Ukraine under Ukraines control.

* It was made an official part of the army and lavished with praise by poroshenko despite being largely nazi and having committed atrocities because territory.

* When Zelensky came to them asking them to lay down their arms and help end the civil war they told him no and denounced him as a traitor.

Officially they have little power or democratic mandate but they told the president that the war shall continue until its bitter end and he capitulated. In the west nazis dont have that kind of power.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by ajsnigrutin on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:11AM (#31621208)

How many of those far right groups were integrated into national armies, as Azov was?

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by synu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:14AM (#31621259)

Lots, of course. Authoritarians are attracted to militias and militaries. Even in the US: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/inside-u-s-military-s-.... https://www.vice.com/en/article/akv4qp/oath-keepers-us-capit... has examples from more western countries (I don’t really know what particular evidence you’re looking for that would convince you, but there’s lots out there.)

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by somenameforme on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:38AM (#31621602)

I don't think these sort of things are very comparable. Of course you'll always find extremists in militaries. But in this case the military itself integrated a real Nazi militia as an independent state force. It would be like if the US marines officially recognized the Aryan Brotherhood and gave them their own unit, including with integrating overt Nazi symbols as part of their uniform.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by synu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:16PM (#31622141)

Sure, I would definitely agree they are worse in a lot of ways. I don’t really agree their existence is proof that all of Ukraine is a new Nazi Germany and therefore the invasion by Russia is justified. Maybe that’s not what you’re saying either, but that’s where this conversation started.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by somenameforme on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:00PM (#31622702)

No, that's definitely not what I'm saying. And I also didn't read the original post that way. There are a lot of problems in Ukraine (outside of this war) and they have also done some pretty awful things. Many of the things that go unstated in our media can go some way towards explaining the war, but there's a difference between explaining and justifying. And I increasingly feel that that nuance is being lost in society, which divides us all even further.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by synu on Sunday June 05, 2022 @03:32AM (#31628824)

The original is flagged now, but if we read it differently it makes sense we are coming away with different interpretations. In my opinion the person doesn’t seem particularly well informed about basic facts - getting the names of places and regions wrong - and their main argument seems to be that the US has done bad things, so there’s no point inconveniencing ourselves to try to stop Russia and I’m not really sure that follows. I didn’t (personally) find a lot of nuance in the discussion. I do agree that in general nuance and understanding are missing a lot of the times these days.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by xedrac on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:44AM (#31621697)

https://paulhjossey.medium.com/the-nazis-were-leftists-deal-...

The Nazis were just as much far left as far right, if not more. It's funny to me how people are unwilling to acknowledge this.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by synu on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:42PM (#31622481)

They seem to mainly be celebrated by people today (at least by the types who celebrate that sort of thing) for their white supremacism rather than their leftist policies.

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Re:Turkey’s inflation soars to 73%, a 23-year high, as food ... by ajsnigrutin on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:03PM (#31623373)

The authoritarian far left and far right are very close together, with a tiny bit different politics, but the same end results. It's not a coincidence that the commies and the nazis started the WW2 together... somehow the modern left forgets the soviets/communist involvement.

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