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Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by washadjeffmad on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:13AM (#31594422)
There are people in QA who are Patel. We have women from India who work at all levels, from ED to L1. All pillars are necessary.

The biggest problem I've encountered is that they are sometimes socially isolated because Western colleagues don't know how to approach them, when they're really easy to talk to and have a lot to say!

Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by rgrieselhuber on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:19AM (#31594497)
>There are people in QA who are Patel

What does this mean? I thought Patel was a surname.

Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by JPLeRouzic on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:30AM (#31594628)
From Wikipedia:

"Etymology The term patel derives from the word Patidar, literally "one who holds (owned) pieces of land called patis", implying a higher economic status than that of the landless,[6] ultimately from Sanskrit paṭṭakīla,[7] with the ending -dar (from Sanskrit "धार" - supporting, containing, holding) denoting ownership.[8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patel

Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by Karawebnetwork on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:26AM (#31594579)
Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by rgrieselhuber on Thursday June 02, 2022 @09:42AM (#31594782)
Fascinating, thanks. What's the closest parallel in the Western world?
Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by vijaybritto on Thursday June 02, 2022 @10:55AM (#31595659)
I'm afraid there is none. Also its better if people from the west do not try to draw parallels with their experiences and culture. It simply doesn't match. This would help you understand the caste system and once you do, you would literally see it in any place where Indians live/work. The revelations would be mind boggling for sure.

For ex, if there are a bunch of Indians in a work place and a few of them are from lower caste, they will not be invited for lunches, dinners or any socialising event by their upper caste counter parts. Implicit untouchability.

I have read that in the US tech companies this is far too common and since their white (only white specifically. Because they don't care about what their black/asian/latino colleagues think.) colleagues don't understand caste, there are no repercussions for any discrimination.

Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by hef19898 on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:02AM (#31595746)
Any suggestions on how an European can tackle this? I now have quite a bunch of Indian collegues, and while I know what the caste system is and how it sucks, it is all just theory for me. If women are cut short in meetings I see it and can do something. If all Indians are excluded, or all Blacks, Asians,..., I see it and can do sometjing. Well, in theory. But of it is only affecting a sub-set of a group that is completely indistinguishable from the rest, it gets close to impossible. Plus, it feels like a really sensitive topic. Just wondering, not that I encountered a situation like that so far, or rather not that I saw one for what it was.
Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by oh_sigh on Thursday June 02, 2022 @06:44PM (#31601489)
I don't buy this...even if white people don't understand caste, they would still understand random team members not being invited to group events and perhaps try to find out why it happened that way.
Re:Google cancelled a talk on caste bias by vijaybritto on Friday June 03, 2022 @05:01AM (#31605893)
Dont buy it from me. Read the "How Dalits are ‘vetted’ for work" section in this https://thewire.in/caste/cisco-caste-discrimination-silicon-...