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Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by t0suj4 on Thursday June 02, 2022 @01:28AM (#31591665)
Markets optimize for the needs of their participants. Most of the time it aligns with public good.

The regulatory mechanism is what and from whom the participants are willing to purchase.

Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by colordrops on Thursday June 02, 2022 @02:04AM (#31591894)
> Most of the time it aligns with public good

Fully disagree here. I could list a hundred egregious examples where this isn't true for major aspects of life, but it's late and I'm tired of arguing on the internet. Perhaps tomorrow I'll respond with examples.

Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by RealityVoid on Thursday June 02, 2022 @05:49AM (#31593084)
The contest is if other people can list _more_ things where it _does_ align. And even if the misalignment is more frequent than alignment, are there any other systems that are better? I agreed with the general sentiment of your post and agree there are a lot of wrongly incentivized bahaviors in capitalism. It's just that finding workable alternatives is a challenge in of itself.
Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by Akronymus on Thursday June 02, 2022 @07:28AM (#31593617)
Reminds me of the quote that "democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried."

Just replace democracy with capitalism and government with market.

Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by goosedragons on Thursday June 02, 2022 @05:06AM (#31592859)
No it doesn't. FFS bakers used to adulterate their flour with crap like chalk because it was cheaper. And there's many many examples of things like that. The market optimizes for price and only in scenarios where competition doesnt have a high bar.
Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by jraph on Thursday June 02, 2022 @03:29AM (#31592385)
> Markets optimize for the needs of their participants

They optimize for what they want, not what they need, which is a big difference. They would probably align with public good if it was the latter. Also, they optimize for what people who have money want.

Participants want comfort (which we can't blame them for) and are not incentivized to solve poverty.

Not saying that capitalism did not bring good stuff (won't state it neither), but part of the current result is global warming, pollution and the existence of people living in bad conditions.

Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by q-big on Thursday June 02, 2022 @05:42AM (#31593056)
> but part of the current result is global warming

Global warming is rather mostly a consequence of overpopulation. In the past, people often died of starvation or illnesses. "Unluckily" capitalism managed to reduce these problems by a lot.

> and the existence of people living in bad conditions.

In most communist countries, the living conditions were worse, so this is rather again a success story of capitalism.

Re:Qualcomm shook down the cell phone industry for almost 20... by skrtskrt on Thursday June 02, 2022 @05:41AM (#31593051)
Speaking of naive