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Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by dcurtis on Friday September 26, 2008 @04:23AM (#315860)
$7.5 million signing bonus? What kind of board of directors would approve such a retarded amount?

The guy would have taken the CEO job without the bonus; it serves zero purpose to the shareholders to give him $7.5 million.

Why don't companies base executive compensation on performance? Doesn't that seem logical?

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by witten on Friday September 26, 2008 @05:28AM (#315881)
It seems logical, but the problem with basing executive compensation on company performance is that, in a public company, it just incentivizes the executives to chase quarterly profits at the expense of medium- to long-term goals. This means that executives will do anything they can to pump up quarterly numbers, especially if they know that their tenure at the helm of their company is fairly finite.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by dhimes on Friday September 26, 2008 @06:57AM (#315908)
In a public company, the pressure to chase quarterly profits exists anyway because of the shareholders. If company A does something of questionable morality or risk, but it nets their shareholders a lot of value, it gets hard for the executives at company B to say 'no' to the strategy, even if they know better.

My suspicion is that this is why some companies start out as good and are later perceived as evil. The game changes once you have legal fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders. It seems to me that it can get very hard to defend your strategy of not maximizing profits when others around you are raking it in.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by lisp_padawan on Friday September 26, 2008 @01:28PM (#316300)
indeed, corporations are in legal terms considered with legal equivalence to an individual, and a public traded company is legally bound to maximise shareholder profit, we have basically created a legal psychopath, they're (the board, ceo etc) legally bound to do anything within the law to generate profit/growth. As you say, hardly surprising that companies with mottos like 'do no evil' end up censoring bloggers in the PR of China.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by sanj on Friday September 26, 2008 @10:47AM (#316103)
I've heard this argument a lot and it seems like a solvable problem:

Put the money in a 5 years escrowed account. If the changes that you made were sound and the company continues to succeed, you get it. Otherwise, you forfeit.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by ctkrohn on Friday September 26, 2008 @09:31PM (#316655)
What you've just described is a stock option. This is an extremely common form of executive compensation. The problem is that it incentivizes greater (and potentially dangerous) risk taking. Greater risks increase the probability of large payouts and losses. But if there's a great loss, the CEO still makes the base salary -- he can't be held financially responsible for all the company's losses. So to the executive it doesn't really matter whether the company loses small or loses big. But there's a big difference between winning small and winning big.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by jcromartie on Friday September 26, 2008 @09:03AM (#315999)
They do this anyway.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by jm4 on Friday September 26, 2008 @09:55AM (#316041)
In China these people would be executed. If I remember correctly that's what happened to the CEO of the company that made all that bad pet food. I'm not saying we need to gather a lynch mob or anything, but we certainly need some kind of balance between that and the fake outrage we have in this country. I don't think jail time would be unreasonable for executives that, through gross negligence, run economy-critical businesses into the ground.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by icey on Friday September 26, 2008 @12:00PM (#316187)
I think it's fairly telling about how bad our situation is when we start comparing our options versus what the Chinese would do... and we use the Chinese option as the POSITIVE side of the argument.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by robak on Friday September 26, 2008 @04:33PM (#316468)
You should have start doing long time ago... savings (China) vs. "deficits don't matter" (USA), being the biggest creditor in the world (China) vs. being the most indebted nation to foreigners in the history of the man-kind (USA)... production and underconsumption (China) vs. spending on credit and overconsumption (USA).

Your situation is bad exactly because you are not paying attention to this how to build an empire (China) vs. collapse one (USA).

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by wschroter on Friday September 26, 2008 @09:41AM (#316028)
Why is it so hard to figure out that certain executives command a certain pay? If Wamu paid less, they wouldn't get the guy they are looking for. It's supply and demand. There are a certain number of top executives when it comes to these searches. Just like top athletes or actors. It's not like these Boards are arbitrarily picking someone from the mail room and giving them $19m.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by olefoo on Friday September 26, 2008 @10:02AM (#316048)
It's more like they are arbitrarily picking someone from their circle of friends at the country club and giving them 'reasonable compensation'.

Beyond that the board wants to reassure themselves that they are making good decisions, consequently they can justify a slightly larger payday for the new CEO on the grounds that since they are such fine people they have hired an above average CEO and should pay him slightly more than the median compensation for Executives in comparable companies...

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by copenja on Friday September 26, 2008 @12:39PM (#316237)
Bullocks.

Acting like Fishman was appointed CEO just because he was a friend of the board is completely false.

He was preivously the CEO of two other banks: Sovereign Bank and Independence Community Bank. He has 25+ years experience as a senior executive in banking.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by olefoo on Friday September 26, 2008 @07:20PM (#316589)
wschroter was questioning the general case, and I was responding to the general case.

I'm curious why you are so offended by a general viewpointon executive compensation.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by copenja on Sunday September 28, 2008 @10:55PM (#318052)
I'm not offended. I just think the viewpoint is incorrect.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by nazgulnarsil on Friday September 26, 2008 @05:35AM (#315883)
the problem of choosing a good leader hasn't been solved by humans yet.
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by marvin on Friday September 26, 2008 @09:39AM (#316026)
This is a gross simplification. Good leaders do exist. The real problems are politics and corruption, which happen to run rampant in...well, politics and public companies. These areas are where the "problem of choosing a good leader" is most pressing.

It would work out nicely if every leader thought leading was so fun that he'd do it for free. Berkshire Hathaway chooses its managers in this way. The people they hire seem to enjoy building something rugged.

Unfortunately, many leadership positions just aren't fun enough for this to be a viable option. And it's not even just a question of choosing the right man for the job. Public companies are notorious for their ruthless owners (the market), which often require different things than what would be necessary for long-term growth and stability. Even if all shareholders were interested in the distant future, the market is nothing if not a committtee. Necessary decisions are sometimes unpopular. No one who masters his craft (in this case domain-specific leadership) wants to be bogged down with politics, but this is exactly what public companies offer.

Hence, these positions attract the wrong type of people - those who are attracted to money or power. The 'right man for the job' is probably enjoying a tenth of the salary leading some small company somewhere, because leading a large market-exposed company just isn't worth it. It's not just a question of choosing the right guy and writing him a big check; he might not want the job.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by goodkarma on Friday September 26, 2008 @08:46AM (#315980)
For example: George W. Bush
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by goodkarma on Friday September 26, 2008 @11:33AM (#316155)
LOL, funny I lost karma for saying that.. :)
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by msg on Friday September 26, 2008 @10:37AM (#316088)
GW picked a great leader: Dick Cheney
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by chaostheory on Friday September 26, 2008 @11:19AM (#316138)
depends on perspective. dick has been great for GW's self interest, I'm not so sure about how great he's been for the country though
Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by msg on Friday September 26, 2008 @08:21PM (#316629)
Sorry. The snark I feel is never the snark you read. I made a pretty borderline comment anyway.

Must remember </sarcasm> tag

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by MaysonL on Saturday September 27, 2008 @11:34PM (#317383)
What kind of board of directors would approve such a retarded amount?

A board of directors in a state of panic. Note that Mr Fishman was serving as Chairman at the third largest mortgage brokerage in the country (who do commercial, industrial and multi-unit residential deals - not sub-prime stuff) - not the type of job to leave for a company about to go under without big incentives.

Re:WaMu Fails. First major comercial bank to go. by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday September 26, 2008 @10:25AM (#316075)
The kind of board of directors who know what the rest of the market is paying? If you want a certain caliber of employee of any kind, you have to lure them with at least what they'd get elsewhere. It only seems out of joint because the dollar amounts are higher than in (e.g.,) software, but it's the same principle.