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Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by jitl on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @12:20AM (#31566066)
Exactly - the grandparent is asking “can a true copy left / Free Software license protect a young startup from Amazon reselling their software”, and my assertion is no, it cant.
Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by goodpoint on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @07:25AM (#31568277)
AGPL strikes a balance between the needs of users, upstream and intermediate developers.

Here [A]GPL is Schrödinger's license. At the same time people complain that it's too restrictive and not restrictive enough.

If you want to completely prohibit any SaaS usage closed source is the only option, like BSL. And I'll stay away from your software.

Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by josephcsible on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @12:27AM (#31566104)
Can you give an example of an AGPL product being resold by Amazon or someone like them?
Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by jitl on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @11:25AM (#31570629)
MongoDB is the most famous example to transition from AGPL to a closed license. MongoDB was AGPL until October 16, 2018. Since October 16, 2018, it uses Server Side Public License (SSPL), which they authored.

From their FAQ:

> The market is quickly moving to consume most software as a service. This is a time of incredible opportunity for open source projects, with the potential to foster a new wave of great open source server side software. The reality, however, is that once an open source project becomes interesting, it is too easy for large cloud vendors to capture all the value but contribute nothing back to the community.

HN discussion from 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18229452

FAQ: https://www.mongodb.com/licensing/server-side-public-license...

Today, MongoDB is an AWS partner: https://aws.amazon.com/quickstart/architecture/mongodb/

The most recent notable example of open-source software going closed because of Amazon specifically is Elasticsearch, which switched from Apache to SSPL. The announcement blog post was titled "Amazon: NOT OK - why we had to change Elastic licensing".

HN discussion from 2021: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25833781

FAQ: https://www.elastic.co/pricing/faq/licensing

Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by josephcsible on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @11:55AM (#31571056)
MongoDB is definitely an example. Did switching licenses actually "fix" their "problem" though? And ElasticSearch doesn't count since it was a pushover license before and not the AGPL.
Re:Dragonflydb – A modern replacement for Redis and Memcached by adastra22 on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @04:35AM (#31567271)
Mastodon is AGPL and there are various cloud hosting providers.

There really aren't that many popular AGPL server software to start with though, so it's an unfairly biased question.