Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by sanderjd on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:11AM
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The way I think of storage is that it competes with natural gas peaking plants, not that it is part of the cost of renewables. Even if we had a lot more nuclear deployed, we would need a way to handle short-term variance in load, which is either gas or storage. (An interesting alternative would be scalable sinks for extra power; some people argue that this is why proof-of-work crypto is actually good, just use the extra power to generate hashes, but I would rather see it used for something more useful, like making hydrogen.)
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Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by maliker on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:59AM
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I’m optimistic we could find a way to ramp nuclear up and down. We don’t do it now because it’s easier to run it at full capacity for economic and safety reasons. Adding some thermal storage (which the SMR companies are trying) or varying the reaction rate are in the area of research but certainly seem feasible.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by lamontcg on Monday May 30, 2022 @01:36PM
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If you can add thermal storage to a nuclear plant, you can add thermal storage to a solar or wind farm and do it cheaper.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by maliker on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:39PM
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Thermal storage is harder to integrate with renewables because you need a recovery mechanism, i.e. a steam turbine. Because nuke plants already have the turbines, it’s cheaper to collocate the storage there. I could see a future where the nuke and fossil plants are converted into thermal storage facilities without the boilers to reuse the existing turbines (and permits to operate, and interconnection agreements).
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by lamontcg on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @05:01PM
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renewables with a recovery mechanism is still simpler engineering than a nuclear plant.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by sanderjd on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:37PM
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Thanks for the info. I've asked people this question ("is there a fundamental reason why nuclear can't vary?") but nobody that I've asked yet has known the answer. So this is helpful!
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by merb on Monday May 30, 2022 @12:01PM
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I’m optimistic we could find a way to ramp solar/wind up and down. We don’t do it now because it’s easier to run it at full capacity for economic and safety reasons. Adding some thermal storage (which the SMR companies are trying) or varying the reaction rate are in the area of research but certainly seem feasible.