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Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by natmaka on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:37AM (#31557533)
No, even with low estimations of the amount of nuclear victims (those published by UN's Word Health Organization) solar/wind/hydro are the safest ones and any new major nuclear disaster may further imbalance: https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by korantu on Monday May 30, 2022 @07:04AM (#31557722)
Hydro is very terrain-dependent, solar and wind can't do baseload, so for baseload nuclear is still best applicable in most parts of the world. Nuclear saves a lot of lives by displacing other, way more dangerous baseload operations. [0]

[0] https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy#contrary...

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by natmaka on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:12AM (#31558610)
> solar and wind can't do baseload

Not really, as we know how, at continental scale, adequately use wind and solar: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31557422

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by cyphar on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:11AM (#31559143)
The data used by that study is actually based on the pessimistic estimates from the older WHO analysis. If you use the more modern estimates by the UNSCEAR (the United Nations body dealing with effects of radiation), nuclear power is safer than any other kind of power on a per-TWh basis. It's not really honest to say that an already pessimistic estimate (which is now considered by at least some scientists -- including the UN body dealing with the topic -- to be incorrect) might be underestimating total deaths from Chernobyl.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by trashtester on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @06:14AM (#31579928)
Chernobyl killed millions or tens of millions of people:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/09/fossil-f...

Let's say Chernobyl didn't happen, then I would guess around 10% of those fossil fuel deaths would have been prevented.

Quick calculation 8.7mill/year * 10 % * 30 years = 26.1 million.

So, lets say that the pessimistic side of "mainstream" research on number of deaths from Chernobyl is 26000, the "nuclear scare" effect still caused maybe 1000x as many deaths.

Even if I'm off by an order of magnitude, that's still 100x.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by cyphar on Thursday June 02, 2022 @06:51PM (#31601574)
I agree that anti-nuclear sentiment has killed millions of people, but the comparison being made here is how different forms of power kill people. In that comparison, including fossil fuel deaths as "deaths caused by Chernobyl" is not reasonable since it obfuscates which source of power is causing the deaths.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by trashtester on Friday June 03, 2022 @07:25AM (#31606883)
Irony can be hard to communicate in text. Sorry for causing a misunderstanding.

My point was that I fully support that nuclear is not only safe, but a technology that saves millions of lives every year, since without it, the world would use coal instead.

Furthermore, if more coal could be replaced by nuclear, it would not only delay global warming, but also potentially save tens of millions of lives.

The extra cost per GWh is more than made up for in health benefits. But if the costs are seen as too high for current powerplant models, it should be possible to bring the costs down a lot if they are mass-produced and some more to gain from slighly relaxing regulations where the price/benefit of regulations is unreasonable.

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by natmaka on Monday May 30, 2022 @09:40PM (#31565357)
There is no universally accepted way to estimate the amount of victims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the...

Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by cyphar on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @01:55AM (#31566510)
The Wikipedia article you linked to says that work was not peer-reviewed and four academic reviews were published criticising it (with only one positive review which still said it had shortcomings). You can choose to believe that Chernobyl killed just shy of 1 million people but that's at odds with all peer-reviewed research on the topic (which projects it will reach the mid-to-low thousands in total, with the current death toll in the hundreds at most).
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021) by natmaka on Tuesday May 31, 2022 @04:15AM (#31567182)
Everybody can read about the authors and methods, abut the critics and their answer to it.

> mid-to-low thousands in total, with the current death toll in the hundreds at most

... isn't exactly summarizing the (quite large) spectrum of estimations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disas...