Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by adrianN on Monday May 30, 2022 @05:43AM
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Not if we want to stop global warming. What we can do instead is store renewable power as methane or hydrogen and burn that when batteries are insufficient to cover. But perhaps advances in grid scale batteries will make even that obsolete.
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Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by maliker on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:27AM
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It’ll be interesting to see what role hydrogen plays. Prices for using it to store energy are currently a couple times battery energy storage systems, and the component parts are not getting cheaper very fast (turbines + storage + electrolyzers), whereas battery storage is rapidly falling in price. But as you point out: we know how to use hydrogen/synthetic methane/ammonia as a storage asset if we need it.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by adrianN on Monday May 30, 2022 @10:49AM
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I think it will be difficult to satisfy global storage demands with lithium batteries. But most countries already have infrastructure to store a couple of weeks to a couple of months worth of methane. Perhaps it makes economic sense to just use that infrastructure and pay the 60% conversion loss. Maybe other battery chemistries will be better options.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by maliker on Monday May 30, 2022 @11:18AM
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I’ve seen analysis that says we have enough lithium globally, especially if we use existing working recycling techniques widely. And there are other battery chemistries with earth abundant materials (e.g. iron redox) that could ease the lithium supply concern. But I think you’re right that geopolitics will play a huge role. As we’ve seen with the war in Ukraine and Russian gas, resources are not uniformly distributed, and we can’t rely on frictionless international trade to work consistently.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by Retric on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:10AM
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There is some leeway in global warming as on net the earth sequesters more carbon the higher the atmospheric CO2 levels, it’s just nowhere near fast enough to keep up with current output.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by adrianN on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:17AM
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Unfortunately we already emitted enough carbon to force pretty catastrophic warming, so we'll need to become net negative for at least a couple of decades before we can talk about low net positive emissions.
Re:Big money, nuclear subsidies, and systemic corruption (2021)
by Retric on Monday May 30, 2022 @06:30AM
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You are far more optimistic than I if you assume net negative is a possibility any time soon. A significant reduction in methane might be possible which would provide similar benefits.