Re:Food security and the coming storm
by SoftTalker on Sunday May 29, 2022 @12:22PM
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You can do a "DEF delete," but if you are caught you will be paying some major fines for EPA violations that will quickly exceed the value of the truck.
Do the DOT inspections at weigh stations not check for this? I know that older trucks are grandfathered as they never had it; generally vehicles are required to have all the original emissions controls intact.
You also will need to know how to reflash the engine computers, which will not be happy if expected emissions equipment is simply removed.
Re:Food security and the coming storm
by josephcsible on Sunday May 29, 2022 @05:24PM
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I think the point is that if there's a urea shortage, good governments would waive the DEF requirement until it ends, rather than effectively saying "sorry, it's illegal for you to drive that truck at any price".
Re:Food security and the coming storm
by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday May 29, 2022 @06:03PM
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> I think the point is that if there's a urea shortage, good governments would waive the DEF requirement until it ends,
Automotive EE here, this will ABSOLUTELY NOT happen.
Re:Food security and the coming storm
by josephcsible on Monday May 30, 2022 @03:25AM
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Oh, I have no delusions that it will happen. I also have no delusions that our government is good.
Re:Food security and the coming storm
by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday May 29, 2022 @06:03PM
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It obvious possible to run diesel with out DEF.
And you “can” remove the def systems and cats.
But the real story is that all diesels on the road now use DEF/EGR systems and that isn’t going to change because of a shortage.
This isn't strictly true, you can remove the DEF emissions control system from most trucks for a small price and this even yields a small performance gain. In my state, this is quite common as there is no emissions testing. The emphasis on diesel/DEF shortages is greatly exaggerated and somewhat misguided, I think.