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Re:My students cheated... a lot by bambax on Sunday May 29, 2022 @06:56AM (#31548138)
> Incompetent doctor? People die.

Many, many doctors are completely incompetent, as in, they don't know anything. Yet not all of their patients die.

I have been a "standardized patient" at medical schools; students at the end of their education (after 6-8 years of learning) still don't know shit. And most pass. Maybe they learn on the job... but I doubt it.

Re:My students cheated... a lot by SyzygistSix on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:03AM (#31548822)
Conversely my general practitioners are part of an organization where they are doing their residency. They all are competent, very caring, and effective.

I talked to one of their IT people who told me what a good place it was to work. And had multiple nurses say the same, one going on a 5 minute rant about what a good place it was to work. So that could be a significant factor.

Re:My students cheated... a lot by rscho on Sunday May 29, 2022 @08:58AM (#31548795)
You are completely wrong about that. If they passed their exams, they know a lot. They're no good in practice because they had little practice. Yes, we do learn most of our practical skills on the job. Medicine is very much a 'know-how' profession.
Re:My students cheated... a lot by bambax on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:08AM (#31548853)
> If they passed their exams, they know a lot.

Yeah, it's an exaggeration. They certainly know some things, and some of them know a lot of things. But, they all had big holes in their knowledge (huge, gaping holes) and

1/ They weren't aware of it

2/ They were trained to hide them and appear to know everything about everything, because they're the experts. That's the scary part IMHO.

Re:My students cheated... a lot by rscho on Sunday May 29, 2022 @09:22AM (#31548942)
> They were trained to hide them and appear to know everything about everything, because they're the experts. That's the scary part IMHO.

You've got to realize that we can't really train healthcare workers to admit failure. Culturally, it's not admitted in any society I ever lived in. People get really angry really fast if you don't hide the gaps, as they feel you're subpar and they're being swindled.

> They weren't aware of it

I recently taught an undergrad course, and I must admit I was baffled by the lack of knowledge of the students, and also how little effort they put into their studies. Doctors who don't read books. That's _much_ more worrying, IMO. Grade inflation, and all that...