How This Ends - Hackdot

Re:How This Ends by mym1990 on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:07PM (#31469642)

Can you explain why interest rates will HAVE to rise above inflation for it to slow down? CPI is already slowing down, although we have some very limited data points currently. A lot of inflation is driven by expectation, and raising interest rates is a way to tame those expectations for consumers, but I don't think the rates have to arbitrarily go above inflation to tamper it.

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Re:How This Ends by nostrademons on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:46PM (#31470142)

The Taylor rule gives the math behind it, but the layman's explanation is that as long as rates are lower than inflation, you turn a profit by borrowing money and buying a basket of assets, since their price will rise alongside inflation. This incentivizes people to borrow more money, which increases the money supply, which further exacerbates inflation.

This is the first term 'p' in the Taylor rule, which corrects the nominal interest rate that the Fed sets into a real interest rate that accounts for inflation.

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Re:How This Ends by ac29 on Monday May 23, 2022 @01:11AM (#31475511)

> you turn a profit by borrowing money and buying a basket of assets, since their price will rise alongside inflation

That explanation doesnt make sense when the basket of assets has a expiration date and/or significant storage or maintenance costs.

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Re:How This Ends by nostrademons on Monday May 23, 2022 @11:36AM (#31480399)

There are plenty of assets that don't have an expiration date, like real estate or stocks of profitable companies with pricing power. And those are the assets that people are actually buying, and there prices have been going up to match.

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Re:How This Ends by FollowingTheDao on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:15PM (#31469730)

The Taylor Rule explains it

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taylorsrule.asp

r = p + 0.5y + 0.5(p - 2) + 2

Where:

r = nominal fed funds rate p = the rate of inflation y = the percent deviation between current real GDP and the long-term linear trend in GDP

As I said, the FED is betting that inflation is being caused by supply chain issues alone. This is obviously not true. It will get worse, so much worse, because the FED is in fact acting too slowly.

https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/what-makes-it-hard-contr...

"interest rates sharply, and keep them high for several years, even if that causes a painful recession, as it did in the early 1980s in the United States, United Kingdom, and much of Europe. How much pain, and how deep of a dip, does it take to stop inflation and to keep inflation in check? The well-respected Taylor rule (named after my Hoover Institution colleague John B. Taylor) recommends that interest rates rise one-and-a-half times as much as inflation. So if inflation rises from 2 percent to 5 percent, interest rates should rise by 4.5 percentage points. Add a baseline of 2 percent for the inflation target and 1 percent for the long-run real rate of interest, and the rule recommends a central-bank rate of 7.5 percent. If inflation accelerates further before central banks act, reining it in could require the 15 percent interest rates of the early 1980s."

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Re:How This Ends by mym1990 on Sunday May 22, 2022 @12:54PM (#31470237)

"During periods of stagnant economic growth and high inflation, such as stagflation, the Taylor rule provides little guidance to policy makers, since the terms of the equation then tend to cancel each other out"

Although I wouldn't go as far as to say we are in stagflation, it seems like the current environment wouldn't be an optimal place to use the rule. Ultimately I think the Fed took a view and have stuck with that, for better or for worse, and they are valuing consistency over diverging economic models.

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Re:How This Ends by lupire on Sunday May 22, 2022 @01:56PM (#31470912)

r = p + 0.5y + 0.5(p - 2) + 2

= 1.5p + 0.5y + 1

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Re:How This Ends by nostrademons on Sunday May 22, 2022 @02:33PM (#31471271)

The "2" is actually a parameter of the rule, and is the desired inflation target. OP is just hardcoding it in because the Fed's stated inflation target is 2%. If you leave it parameterized you can't simplify the equation further, as the 0.5 distributes over the desired inflation target parameter as well.

For that matter, the 0.5 is also a parameter, and is basically saying "Weight the goals of full employment and stable prices equally." If, say, you wanted to weight Fed policy 80% toward controlling inflation (to a target of 2%) and 20% toward maximizing employment, the equation would be r = p + 0.2y + 0.8(p - 2) + 2.

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