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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by Lio on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:36AM (#31456746)
Apple are not alone in moving towards closer integration.

I have a Dell XPS 13 Dev Edition 9370 and tried to replace the Killer brand wifi unit that’s about 80% reliable waking from sleep.

Turns out wifi is soldered in on that edition forward.

I think the same is true for RAM, although it came with 16Gb, which is the mac its processor supports.

Anyone else remember the days of socketed chips that would work themselves loose due to heat?

Putting everything into a single chip is a pain to upgrade but it does mean there’s less chance of things going wrong.

Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by lrvick on Saturday May 21, 2022 @07:41AM (#31457032)
It also means when something inevitably does go wrong, you throw the entire thing away and get a new one. I do not consider this a reasonable or sustainable approach, particularly when out of warranty.
Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by Lio on Saturday May 21, 2022 @08:00AM (#31457133)
That’s true but if integration means that it’s very rare for anything to go wrong within the product’s lifetime that may not matter and in fact be a net win.

I’ve never had anything break on a laptop[1] I’ve owned regardless of brand since 2005.

I can’t be that atypical.

1. Apart from maybe the wifi on my XPS13 which I can just about live with by turning wifi on and off.

Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by lrvick on Saturday May 21, 2022 @08:54AM (#31457425)
Meanwhile I have a stack of 6-7 old broken laptops that are unlikely to be repairable.
Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by Lio on Saturday May 21, 2022 @11:07AM (#31458533)
What's broken on them and are they made with discrete components vs highly integrated ones?

If they are made with discrete components and still can't be repaired then you'd loose nothing by going to a higher level of integration.