HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by loosescrews on Saturday May 21, 2022 @12:36AM (#31455264)

Linux seems to have much worse memory management for desktop usage than other popular desktop operating systems. I have found that I really need 64GB of RAM to make Chrome run well on Linux, but I can get a similar user experience with as little as 16GB of RAM on other desktop operating systems. Firefox does much better, but Chrome seems to be the standard these days, and a computer that doesn't run Chrome well is probably defective in most people's eyes these days.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by alluro2 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:51AM (#31456808)

Just anecdotally, my dev workflows on Manjaro with KDE typically required ~18GB RAM (VSC, nodejs, rust, elixir, mongodb, redis, docker, db mgmt tool, browser, mail client, Slack, etc).

On MacOS (switched to 2021 MBP 14) basically identical setup is sitting on ~29GB.

I have no idea about Windows, but I don't think anyone would argue that there's much more room on Linux to adjust and optimize for lower RAM usage than on MacOS / Win

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by gigatexal on Saturday May 21, 2022 @12:43AM (#31455288)

Huh? I have 64GB of ram in my Ubuntu workstation. I run FF, Chrome, Docker, etc etc and regularly have some 55+ GB free.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by sigg3 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @12:49AM (#31455310)

But you might not be running corporate security tools that invariably eat cycle after cycle, to the point crashing the desktop.

I often have to defend Linux because unknowing colleagues blame the OS, when htop shows it's this or that mandated background process.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by saghm on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:24AM (#31455458)

This seems like a reasonable explanation, given that it fits my experience as well. My work Macbook Pro often is quite laggy when JAMF decides to scan everything (i.e. for several minutes after booting up and periodically throughout the day afterwards), whereas my Linux personal machines are almost always quite snappy, even with games running at fairly high performance settings through WINE at the same time as Firefox, discord, sometimes VS Code, etc.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by gigatexal on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:05AM (#31455383)

Yeah my 2020 work MacBook is always blasting its fans because corporate IT installed some monitoring software that is scanning everything all the time. The laptop is a nuclear hazard site cuz it’s so hot all the time. I need headphones on to drown out the fan noise.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by happymellon on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:26AM (#31455472)

That last gen Intel Macbooks overheat so easily.

The corporate security software is so awful mine stays at an ambient temperature of around 60°c with the constant background tasks. That can't be good for the hardware.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by saghm on Saturday May 21, 2022 @01:25AM (#31455465)

Same! My cats greatly prefer when I'm at my desk working compared to personal time because my work laptop (a Macbook plugged into a monitor and kept shut) gets so warm and they love to sleep on it.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by darthrupert on Saturday May 21, 2022 @02:17AM (#31455696)

Lol, that’s just silly. I could probably run Linux desktop (sway) on a 1GB RAM machine.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by lrvick on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:21AM (#31456693)

My early professional daily driver Linux workstations had 32-64MB of memory.

I laugh at discussions like this. Linux with a slim window manager and vim can run on just about anything and provide a productive programming environment for a codebase of virtually any size provided you can use a remote system for compiles and a slim browser like elinks to access online documentation.

That said my primary workstation runs separate VMs for every application for high security, so I appreciate my 64 cores and 256gb of memory these days.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by usr1106 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @03:02AM (#31455873)

1 GB would require some serious optimization if you want to do some work. But I have a 2 GB machine running Xubuntu without modifications and it is quite usable for some development work (It was bought as a school laptop years ago. You could not use it in school anymore because their stuff requires 4 GB nowadays, but I sometimes still use it just for fun.) I don't think switching from Xfce to sway saves you a whole GB.

Of course there were numerous ways to make a 2 GB machine starve if you wanted to or just don't think what is feasible or not and run several crazy Electron apps or worse. Some lightweight containers are not a problem, I have run those.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by darthrupert on Saturday May 21, 2022 @06:15AM (#31456668)

My first Linux machine ran on 8MB RAM. Ok, could be that some modern software would not run well on such a thing any more and a modern web browser is unthinkable.

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Re:HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS by usr1106 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @10:53AM (#31458413)

When I studied computer science the VAX-750 had 4 MB and 15 students could compile at the same time from each their terminal. Swapping got a bit annoying under those conditions, but in the evening when a couple of them had gone home it started to run smoothly.

I remember phones from 20 years ago using something like 150 kB, admittedly they had no real operating system, just a simple task scheduler. Probably color display required a bit more already.

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