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Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by bigpeopleareold on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:14PM (#31438159)
I taught myself just last year to use the trackpoint because I was curious. I turned it off at the BIOS, etc. just to make me use it exclusively. Once I got over the hump, I was surprised. I don't want keyboards anymore without it. I developed a strong muscle memory for it over the year. I'm a grouchy quirky old man, but when it comes to trackpoints, I am new to this quirk :D
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by philjohn on Thursday May 19, 2022 @02:37PM (#31438409)
Having had a trackpoint laptop since the 90's, the only thing that I found I could switch to when moving to a job that gave all engineers Mac's was the MBP track pad - the gestures and precision/feel just about made up for the loss of not having to move hands from the home row.

But yeah, sad that more laptops don't have trackpoints.

Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by whoisthemachine on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:20PM (#31442298)
Wow I just realized I had been using trackpoints completely wrong - as in using it like I would use a trackpad, by taking my hand off of the home row. Very neat!
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by philjohn on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:37PM (#31449730)
Aha! Happy to provide a TIL :)

That's really the killer feature of the trackpoint - especially for touch typists.

Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by ziml77 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:18PM (#31440295)
Similar story here. All the laptops I used had the trackpoint and I didn't want to give it up until I tried an MBP in 2012. The trackpad was miles better than any other trackpad I'd used. Other machines have gotten better trackpads now, though I still haven't tried one that is as good as the current MacBook trackpads. But at least I don't hate every moment of using non-Mac trackpads anymore.
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by bigpeopleareold on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:39AM (#31444078)
When I was using Macbooks (the last time was around 2016-2017), I never deliberately used all the features of it, so I really don't know what is the fuss about it. I think they introduced things like 2-finger scrolling, which is really nice and ended up elsewhere. It makes using casual use a little easier, which causes me to still use it sometimes. (but I am getting used to using the TrackPoint for casual things too because the amount of control you have over things like scroll speed). My wife has a 2015 Macbook and the "click" sensor seems to have a problem. She got used to it though. But "clicking" is an option that can be turned off. However, when I use it, it is such a complete nuisance to use.
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by vladvasiliu on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:03PM (#31438706)
Is this on a thinkpad? My HP EliteBook has a track point and I haven't found any config that makes it usable. The tracking is either way too quick or way too slow. And the acceleration curve is either very steep or non-existent.

I've tried it on both Windows and Linux. I realize I'm not used to it, in the beginning I used to have a hard time with mice, too, so maybe it's just a question of habit.

For the moment, the only thing it does is leave a round trace on my screen whenever I close it...

Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by bigpeopleareold on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:43AM (#31444107)
I only used them on Thinkpads ... I can't imagine how they would work on HPs or Dells. And specifically, on older ThinkPads. I am typing on a T430s, but also have a x220 and a T470p. The latter feels a bit different, but I had to initially get used to it. For thinkpads at least, I definitely not have had a problem finding a proper acceleration curve.
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by pmlnr on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:22PM (#31440337)
The HP's have 2 keys, not 3. The middle is the one you push to use the trackpoint to scroll with. Hp simply crippled it
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by opan on Thursday May 19, 2022 @10:53PM (#31442827)
There are some models like the EliteBook 8770W that have the middle mouse button.
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by tie_ on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:56AM (#31443510)
Totally understandable. I'm a trackpoint junkie, but I also could not get to using it on an HP laptop from work. It felt completely gimped (and yes, having just 2 buttons was probably a part of it).
Re:The new and upgraded Framework Laptop by bigpeopleareold on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:51AM (#31444157)
I would die a little inside (ok, maybe that's dramatic :D ) if I was presented a trackpoint-like device but didn't work properly. I had that once - an X1 Carbon 5th gen actually I was using temporarily, struggling to make that useful, because it was too tight (I feel like post-*30 models, you need to break them in, a lesson that I eventually learned) and it would float a lot.

One nice thing about many used ThinkPads at least: trackpoints are usually the one component that are brand new on the device :D