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Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by inoffensivename on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:17AM (#31423861)
Respectfully, I think this is a little bit naive. While the job ladder doesn't explicitly specify org growth as a requirement to get ahead, leading more people is a classic way to get ahead as a relatively junior manager. If a manager's peers are all more senior but are leading similar sized or smaller orgs, it will seem natural that the junior manager should get promoted to the same level. Building orgs is a classic way for managers to get ahead.

Actually delivering value is a huge advantage too, but as far as I've seen is not prerequisite for getting ahead.

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Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by blagie on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:46AM (#31424192)
> Actually delivering value is a huge advantage too, but as far as I've seen is not prerequisite for getting ahead.

Appearing to deliver value is strongly advantageous. Delivering value helps you do that. Other methods:

- Good salesmanship (e.g. making easy things look difficult)

- Stealing credit (can be personal, or e.g. for market conditions)

- Lying (e.g. cooking books)

Delivering value is probably the easiest way to appear to deliver value at the IC level. The higher one moves in the corporate ladder, the more important the others become.

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