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Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by chii on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @10:34PM (#31418663)
> What if the soon to be fired-employee is just currently not able to give 100%?

A professional sports person (like a soccer or basketball star) would not be able to give this same excuse, so why would it not be the same in an engineering setting? Netflix wants their workplace to be like pro-sports, where elites complete for the best outcome and be rewarded like so.

If you choose to apply for employment at netflix, this is what you're signing up for. There are other positions in other companies, if such an environment is not conducive to your own lifestyle - noone is forcing this onto you.

The natural condition of humanity is cruel, and society and civilization hasn't proceeded to the stage where such cruelty don't exist. But right now, there's still at least choice and options for those who don't want to compete this way (with the associated decrease in salary).

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by cjmb on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:43AM (#31419298)
To be fair, the majority of professional sports contracts include items that keep the athlete on payroll while injured or otherwise unable to play, and teams will often invest significant resources waiting for a player to return to health (or even actively assisting the athlete in their recovery journey).

I'm not saying these contracts are "for life", but there are plenty of athletes who either a) get injured and are unable to play or b) take a significant period of time to deliver on their initial promise. Nature might be cruel, but sports teams are often quite fair & accommodating...

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by asdffdsa on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:08PM (#31418847)
This is a bit off topic, but does the "professional sports" analogy really work for tech (e.g. software/hardware) organizations? In sports the game is always the same, and while there may be different play styles or systems the fundamentals are pretty much the same.

In tech orgs, a system (potentially composed of dozens of service) can often outgrow their team, especially when there's high attrition and turnover (perhaps because you view each individual software engineer as a highly expendable/fungible "pro sports player").

Seems like a breeding ground for entropy, and compositions of systems built on lost history, chaos, and confusion.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by __derek__ on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:21PM (#31418911)
> A professional sports person (like a soccer or basketball star) would not be able to give this same excuse, so why would it not be the same in an engineering setting?

This situation is pretty common professional sports, actually. For example, Russell Westbrook's salary is higher than either Lebron James or Antonio Davis, and the highest-paid player on the Dallas Mavericks has been out for two months (including all of the playoffs). They have a strong union with guaranteed contracts, though.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by jjav on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @03:21AM (#31420084)
> Netflix wants their workplace to be like pro-sports, where elites complete for the best outcome and be rewarded like so.

But of course it is not comparable. While Netflix pays very well (have many friends there), it's still nothing compared to a pro-sport star who is making double digit millions per year.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by chii on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:10AM (#31421325)
the amount is irrelevant. The sports stars command millions because they are rarer than good software engineers.

It's the concept, and culture that are analogous. And netflix do pay above average of the FAANG amounts.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by NeverFade on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:21AM (#31421850)
> the amount is irrelevant.

So we're supposed to just accept the "dream team athlete" analogy even though it falls massively short when it comes to a crucial factor: compensation?

In other words, Netflix gets to expect "star athlete" performance, and quickly fire those who fail to meet it, but doesn't have to pay anywhere near "star athlete" compensation.

Not to mention that in reality, "star athletes" are given plenty of time to grow to their potential, and recover when their performance drops, while Netflix made it into an ideology to immediately fire the employee in that exact situation.

It's a rotten deal for the engineers, sugarcoated with inappropriate and wildly inaccurate "dream team" glamor rhetoric.

> And netflix do pay above average of the FAANG amounts.

They pay about as well or a bit better for the same level of talent. "FAANG average" is meaningless, because you're averaging FAANGs who pay poorly (Amazon) to FAANGs who pay very well (Meta).

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by spacebanana7 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @05:07AM (#31420625)
When Netflix stock was performing well, I imagine many of of their employees made double digit millions per year (annual change in net worth) through their stock options.

Obviously not the case this year.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by mLuby on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @10:47PM (#31418739)
> civilization hasn't proceeded to the stage where such cruelty don't exist.

It has in Europe.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by adrianN on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:42AM (#31419289)
Believe it or not, but occasionally people in Europe are fired too.
Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by NeverFade on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:33PM (#31418976)
> A professional sports person (like a soccer or basketball star) would not be able to give this same excuse, so why would it not be the same in an engineering setting?

A professional sport star, certainly at "dream team" level, would be compensated far better than any alternative employment they may have. After just a few years at that level, they would have earned such vast amounts that financially they can retire, and any further employment in their role is optional. It's not a big deal if they lose it.

Netflix doesn't pay engineers much above their alternatives. They compete for the best talent with the other top employers, and pay about on par or slightly better, which doesn't compensate the engineer for the very transitory nature of their employment.

Netflix model is inferior for full-time employees, and they're not paying anywhere near enough to make it worthwhile. They're relying on hype rhetoric to convince naive engineers that they are "star athletes", just like all the startups that used to scam engineers into believing they are "rock stars" and will definitely earn millions upon exit, while in reality underpaying and overworking them.

Re:Netflix lays off about 150 employees by LeanderK on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @06:55AM (#31421234)
Also, even when star athlets get injured they don't get fired. They are viewed as an asset not as a commodity.