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Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by version_five on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:26AM (#31412106)
I had never heard of this before the other day, as I doubt many had. And suddenly the left is all over it as a strawman for what their opponents must believe and support. This is in line with what I've seen re other "conspiracy theories" as well, the majority of the people talking about them or believing that the theories really have proponents beyond a few nutters are all doing so to try and dismiss their political opponents.
Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by QuercusMax on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:44AM (#31412365)
In Charlottesville there were marchers with "Jews will not replace us" signs, and this was years ago.

This stuff has been floating around for a while, it's not exactly new. I remember my mom telling me back in the 90s that at some point we'd be a majority-minority country, which she framed as a positive thing.

White racists in the south have been trying to start a race war for more than a century.

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:32PM (#31417473)
It's also spelled out in The Birth Dearth[1], but yes, the idea is much older. It is a synthesis of Hobbes and race to arrive at a conception of racial power which constructs a "looming crisis" extrapolated from a decades-long demographic trend toward racial pluralism. In so far as Wattenberg is concerned, the stakes are western civilization itself by way of an implied western chauvinism.

1. Wattenberg 1987 (ISBN-13: 978-0345343994)

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by car_analogy on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:40AM (#31412316)
> I had never heard of this before the other day, as I doubt many had.

You must be an exception then, because even NBC has joined in on the fear-mongering:

Soon, more than one-third of Americans will live in states where ethnic groups outnumber whites. Such demographic shifts are fueling criticism that the word ‘minority’ is increasingly inaccurate, obsolete or even offensive. - https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9001157

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by codefreeordie on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:55AM (#31412536)
> ethnic groups outnumber whites

This is interesting phrasing, implying that there are two kinds of people -- people with "ethnic groups" and "whites" which apparently don't have ethnicities?

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by cato_the_elder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:03PM (#31414313)
That's a very common usage:

"ethnic: Relating to a population subgroup (within a larger or dominant national or cultural group) with a common national or cultural tradition."

(from an online version of the Oxford dictionary: https://web.archive.org/web/20200108002157/https://www.lexic...)

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by codefreeordie on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:17PM (#31414474)
I'm pretty sure that "Russian" is an ethnic group (and "German" and "Irish" and ...), and yet the "Russian" ethnic group is going to get called "white", so it's weird not to consider whites as having ethnic groups (which any statement that compares the number of "ethnic group" members to the number of "whites" is implicitly doing).
Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by cato_the_elder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:33PM (#31414686)
Right, but my point is that the word has multiple common meanings.

Also, to your point, the usage section of the entry encourages using more specific terms:

"Ethnic is sometimes used in a euphemistic way to refer to non-white people as a whole, as in a radio station which broadcasts to the ethnic community in Birmingham. Although this usage is quite common, more specific terms such as ‘black’ or ‘Asian’ are preferable."

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by zeruch on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:49AM (#31412442)
"I had never heard of this before the other day, as I doubt many had."

I've been aware of this for a while, and its not just something 'the left' concocted, nor is it new, and has been a bogeyman of reactionary nutjobs going back decades. I remember hearing it as a post-Jim Crow trope in the 80s, and I thought it was stupid then, and it's stupid now...but stupid and violent paranoia is what gets you things like the recent Buffalo shooting (among other things), which is likely why its getting a lot of news ink now, and justifiably so.

It's not limited to the US either, but we're just really good at giving it a fresh coat of double-speak paint via buffoons like Tucker Carlson and any available Trumpkin du jour.

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by mythopedia on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:48AM (#31412429)
I think it's unfair to say that "the left" invented some strawman from thin air overnight.

Here's an article from last year detailing dozens of instances where "a few nutters" endorsed this replacement conspiracy theory on one of the largest cable news shows in America: https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/tucker-carlson-fully-e...

And that's just from one week.

When mass murderers are quoting Tucker Carlson I don't think you can, in good faith, place the blame on the liberals.

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by LargoLasskhyfv on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:40AM (#31412310)
Well, if you put it like that.

How about some "fringe nutters" rambling in the NYT? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/books/review/francis-fuku...

Or https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/apr/21/the-great-expe...

Or https://www.cfr.org/book/great-experiment

Aaaand so on...

edit: or, an excerpt from German TV, about a minute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bqjwvfe4jA from 2018

edit: related https://duckduckgo.com/?q=weapons+of+mass+migration

Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by detaro on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:51AM (#31412481)
Just because you haven't paid attention it is not a straw man.
Re:Fringe conspiracy replacement theory, fostered online, is... by hotpotamus on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:59AM (#31412584)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries

The Turner Diaries are basically classic literature to the extreme right wing and have been around for well over 40 years now.