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Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by IshKebab on Monday May 16, 2022 @03:07PM (#31401924)
He means that the system doesn't doesn't know whether or not there is an obstacle there at all. "I can't see anything" is treated as "go for it!".

The alternative is to require the car to be able to see everything all the time and treat gaps in its view as "might be something there", but doing that in the dark is really only possible with LIDAR at the moment.

Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by t0mas88 on Monday May 16, 2022 @05:54PM (#31403599)
A human in my country is supposed to drive in such a way as to be able to stop in the distance that they can see road is clear. So it's not that crazy to ask from Tesla that the car slows down if it can't judge to road to be free, that's exactly what we ask from human drivers.

Not all humans manage to do that, and they're liable if they crash into some other car. Loose their insurance and cannot drive anymore if they do it too often.

Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by carlmr on Monday May 16, 2022 @04:33PM (#31402825)
>but doing that in the dark is really only possible with LIDAR at the moment.

Which seems a good enough reason that we need to add regulation that these vehicles must have multiple redundant sensors that can operate at any permutation of sunlight/night/rain/snow/fog.

Radar can also see at night, but has poor resolution. Sonar is good at looking through fog but may be unreliable at highway speeds. Lidar really seems like the only viable option here. Maybe even lidar + radar.

I think it's interesting that Elon Musk always says we don't need lidar because it's a visual world. Lidar is a visual sensor. Just an active one.

Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by kaba0 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:47AM (#31407636)
Because Elon is a scam that wrongly voted for vision-based technology and can’t back out of it without losing money.

We manage to get away with 2 2D sensors, that can actively move around and we have freaking 3 billions of neurons with extensive knowledge of the physical world. We are not giving back only a 3D approximation due to the angle difference between our eyes - we also semantically analyze it, knowing what a car, a tree, the sky, etc are, with their usual dimensions in directions where we don’t even see it.

Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by LaSombra on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @08:03AM (#31409209)
I wonder if there's cost involved on the decision to not having radar or LIDAR installed on those cars.
Re:Tesla FSD Beta almost causes a head-on collision [video] by carlmr on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @09:27AM (#31410231)
Of course there's cost involved, which is why it needs to be regulated.