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Re:Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership by theshrike79 on Monday May 16, 2022 @11:35AM (#31398979)
The worst part is that I can't see a valid "out" for Russia as a country from this.

Even if Russians, by some miracle, manage to pry Putin out of power, what then? Will anyone trust any of their leadership?

The level of sanctions on Russia is AFAIK unprecedented on a global scale, it's only been months and regular people are already feeling the effects. And if the sanctions go on for a few years, they'll be at Soviet Russia levels of living.

Re:Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership by sofixa on Monday May 16, 2022 @12:18PM (#31399630)
> Even if Russians, by some miracle, manage to pry Putin out of power, what then? Will anyone trust any of their leadership?

The only way that could happen is with some Germany post-WW2 level consequences and reckoning. All high level military, intelligence, civilian administration get one way tickets to The Hague for trial, with mandatory permanent exile for those not guilty of crimes. Full demilitarisation. Heavy economic sanctions for the rebuilding of Ukraine, and then Russia itself with loans

Re:Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership by rmind on Monday May 16, 2022 @12:41PM (#31399994)
Why do you think there should be a "valid" (you mean face-saving?) exit from the war? I would argue that a full military defeat of Russia is a valid end of this war.
Re:Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership by tacon on Monday May 16, 2022 @01:22PM (#31400588)
And if the Ukrainians get momentum, they will retake Crimea. Maybe the negotiating point would be to let Russia keep the Sevastopol base?