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Re:Many software companies are a joke by 2143 on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:48AM (#31395432)
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> And this isn't to say that some companies aren't pathologically incapable of delivering software...

"isn't", "aren't", "incapable"

Three back-to-back negatives have me confused. Somewhat mysteriously, I (think I) understand what it means when I read it quickly, but if I pause to think I get confused. English isn't my first language :)

Update: Thanks for editing to make it clearer!

Re:Many software companies are a joke by unlikelymordant on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:58AM (#31395482)
Negatives cancel, so I think you cancel the first 2 and get "this is to say that some companies are pathologically incapable of delivering software", which reads a bit nicer
Re:Many software companies are a joke by 2143 on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:05AM (#31395525)
Generally that works but sometimes it doesn't.

For example, some people say statements like "I don't want no towels".

What they really meant: "I don't want towels"

What I get if I cancel the negatives: "I do want towels"

The meaning flipped :)

Re:Many software companies are a joke by ethbr0 on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:14AM (#31395582)
Double-negatives in the "not+no" formulation tend to be a special case. The easiest rule (as you realized) would be "If there's a 'no' before the noun (direct object?), in an already negated phrase, then ignore the 'no'".

It's technically incorrect but common English.

Re:Many software companies are a joke by OJFord on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:33AM (#31395710)
That is incorrect usage though; every rule 'generally works but sometimes doesn't' if we account for people not observing it.
Re:Many software companies are a joke by pcthrowaway on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:56AM (#31395901)
> That is incorrect usage though

We don't need no education

Re:Many software companies are a joke by OJFord on Monday May 16, 2022 @04:35PM (#31402841)
You wouldn't be here quoting that line if it were correct.
Re:Many software companies are a joke by oneeyedpigeon on Monday May 16, 2022 @07:53AM (#31395870)
But pointing out that language rules aren't something that people strictly adhere to, with rigorous logic, is a useful observation.
Re:Many software companies are a joke by OJFord on Monday May 16, 2022 @04:39PM (#31402878)
Undoubtedly, but it was a response to someone explaining how to use English (correctly), not how to understand someone else using English (possibly incorrectly).

If I say 'proper nouns have a capital first letter' I don't think 'actually oliver sometimes people don't do that' is helpful.

Re:Many software companies are a joke by ethbr0 on Monday May 16, 2022 @06:57AM (#31395473)
Point. Edited and hopefully clearer. I try to keep non-first language readers in mind, but vernacular crept in before a second cup of coffee.

IMHO, "this isn't to say" is a common expression in English, so I didn't register it as a negative. But you're absolutely correct.