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Re:Crowdsource by Google by lotsofpulp on Sunday May 15, 2022 @09:40AM (#31387504)
How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?
Re:Crowdsource by Google by JoeAltmaier on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:46AM (#31433262)
There's little or no reason for most folks to work, or soon will be.

It's no longer a market dominated by labor. Factory jobs are a nearly-extinct fraction of what they once were. Office jobs have dried up and pushed 30M people into service (flipping burgers) at a fraction of what they used to earn.

When service jobs become automated (happening at a breakneck pace?) then what? "The workers own the means of production" becomes an empty phrase when there are no workers in the plant.

Lots of hyperbole about changes caused by UBI, particularly in apocalyptic scenarios. But the alternative may be, let them starve? Because that's a conspiracy-theorists preference?

Re:Crowdsource by Google by bsenftner on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:34AM (#31433155)
How do they now? Starvation, place to sleep, criminalizing homelessness. With UBI, the excuses cease and criminalization doubles down. UBI is a trick, folks, do not fall for it!
Re:Crowdsource by Google by JumpCrisscross on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:38AM (#31388211)
> How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?

Tens of millions of Americans can effortlessly live in luxury relative to our ancestors. Most of us on this forum could retire to a poorer country and live comfortably off savings alone. We don’t.

Re:Crowdsource by Google by lotsofpulp on Sunday May 15, 2022 @11:46AM (#31388272)
Yes, my question was intended to lead to the answer of “the 1% having to pay them”. As in UBI will give lower wage workers a better negotiating position from which to extract more wealth/power from the 1%.
Re:Crowdsource by Google by bsenftner on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:39AM (#31433195)
No, that is not how it works. UBI removes any negotiating position; what are the UBI recipients going to do, strike their non-existing jobs? Riot, and trigger the 1% police-thugs? UBI is a terrible idea, and how a human mass execution is setup.