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Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by simulate-me on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:22PM (#31372151)
Aren't proteins basically tiny mechanical machinery?
Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by shadowofneptune on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:46PM (#31372367)
Not mechanical, but chemical. At that level, brownian motion, molecular charges, and other forces we can't see at our scale are much more powerful than mechanical motion. All of the enzymes, ribozyes, etc. in your body rely on these forces as well as their own arrangement to produce chemical reactions which in turn drive their 'machinery'.

The original idea of nanobots argued that with enough effort mechanical machines could work at that level, even if it would be difficult. It'd allow for these machines to work outside of water and for them to be built out of materials like diamond. We're still not there yet, and may never be.

I understand why researchers use the term 'nanotechnology' to describe their work with molecular biology, but it gives entirely the wrong impression. Just look in this thread, where you have people asking 'what could possibly go wrong?' Pop culture makes people think nanotech = tiny robots = grey goo destroying the world.

Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by serf on Friday May 13, 2022 @08:08PM (#31373832)
>Just look in this thread, where you have people asking 'what could possibly go wrong?' Pop culture makes people think nanotech = tiny robots = grey goo destroying the world.

it would take a serious lack of imagination on my part to look at something like a custom protein and not think about the possible disastrous consequences that follow -- let alone something being described to me as a 'molecular robot', even without a lot of pop-culture influence.

Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by XorNot on Friday May 13, 2022 @11:17PM (#31374806)
Yes but conversely nerve gas exists, and is far more destructive - as well as just regular pathogens.

Unless these things are capable of replication (they're not) then they're just an advanced version of regular drugs.

Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by flobosg on Friday May 13, 2022 @05:40PM (#31372806)
Mechanical energy is nevertheless relevant in several nanoscale events, see e.g. ATP synthase or bacterial flagellar motors.
Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by jcims on Saturday May 14, 2022 @03:21AM (#31375791)
Animation of ATP synthase in action:

https://youtu.be/kXpzp4RDGJI

Electron transport chain:

https://youtu.be/rdF3mnyS1p0

Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by anonymouse008 on Friday May 13, 2022 @07:03PM (#31373444)
> Just look in this thread, where you have people asking 'what could possibly go wrong?' Pop culture makes people think nanotech = tiny robots = grey goo destroying the world.

History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes… and so do peoples fears. Many times they are misinformed and misplaced, but usually right to be concerned in the first place.

My dumb take: what could go wrong? Interrupting normal proteins to become prions, that’s what.

Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by shadowofneptune on Saturday May 14, 2022 @12:40AM (#31375140)
A lot of these designer proteins being bad medications or good poisons is a valid concern. At least with that in mind we can better reason about the risks and rewards.
Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by alimov on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:27PM (#31372193)
I suppose so, but biological. Like another commenter pointed out “nanocules” could be a more fitting name (I don’t know if it’s used to refer to anything else)
Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by simulate-me on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:31PM (#31372233)
To me, "nanocules" sound like small molecules, which is the opposite of a protein.
Re:Nanobots Can Swim Around a Wound and Kill Bacteria by alimov on Friday May 13, 2022 @06:00PM (#31372980)
Oh, that’s a good point :/