Python Language Summit: Python Without the GIL

Re:Python Language Summit: Python Without the GIL by carapace on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:38PM (#31356499)

This is the third time you've replied to someone with this exact comment. Please don't do that. You are not being as effective at promoting your POV as you might be if you were a little more tactful.

I read the document. Sam Gross seems to have a clear grasp on the risks associated with this kind of project (I would quote the relevant part, but google docs is a clown shoe.)

One the one hand I wish him luck. If he pulls it off he'll be a hero. On the other hand this seems like a huge "turd polishing" for a problem that one only encounters if one is doing something ill-advised. The GIL just isn't that big of a problem in practice. I've been writing Python for going on twenty years without ever encountering a single problem due to the GIL.

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Re:Python Language Summit: Python Without the GIL by js2 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:34PM (#31363006)

I replied to comments that seemed ill-informed or hadn't bother to read the design doc. I have been writing Python since January 2000 or so, so I guess I maybe have 2 years on you there.

I haven't encountered any difficulties with the GIL either, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem.

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Re:Python Language Summit: Python Without the GIL by carapace on Friday May 13, 2022 @10:21AM (#31367995)

FWIW, I think it's a good thing to encourage people to read the design doc. Ignorant knee-jerk responses help no one and waste a lot of time, and we can have a better discussion if participants are better informed. I don't think you were doing the wrong thing, I felt you were doing the right thing poorly. ("FUD" is pretty strong language IMO in this context.)

I really do hope Gross is successful. It does seem like he's "got an angle", so to speak, on the problem. At the very least, he's coming into it well-informed with his eyes open. He wants to try excising the GIL (and FB is apparently footing the bill to boot) so it's stupid to object, eh? Who cares if he wastes his time? He's not hurting anything. And maybe the horse will learn to sing. :)

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Re:Python Language Summit: Python Without the GIL by js2 on Friday May 13, 2022 @04:34PM (#31372270)

I left a longer comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31354393

The FUD comments came when I was on my phone and in https://xkcd.com/386/ mode. I was just disappointed seeing so many comments that were, well, FUD. FUD may be terse, but I don't think it's strong language.

There's a lot of misunderstanding around the GIL in general.

I too hope he is successful.

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