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Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by tialaramex on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:12AM (#31351705)
> A bunch of Americans are flipping out right now because the Supreme Court refuses to invoke those “dusty old documents” to overturn a validly enacted law from a duly elected legislature. Who are the “partisan hacks” here?

A bunch of Americans were flipping out months ago because a local legislature basically flipped the bird to the Federal government and decided it gets to overrule national laws, and then a Supreme Court majority said yeah, we're not going to explain why but it's urgently necessary to let you go ahead with that with no further discussion.

In principle, if you believed a word of what these Supreme Court Justices said, you could do all sorts of violence to the Republic via this same mechanism. But of course if you were trying to, say, reduce gun violence, rather than help ruin poor women's lives you'd suddenly find they remember that you can't override national laws and there'd be an injunction in force before you could say "Shadow docket".

Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by rayiner on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:59AM (#31352165)
National versus state law is irrelevant here because there has never been federal law. There has never been sufficient support in the federal legislature to codify Roe as federal legislation.[1] Roe has therefore never been anything more than the Supreme Court’s interpretation of “dusty old documents.”

Phrases like “live by the sword, die by the sword” and “you can’t have your cake and eat it too” come to mind. You can’t, as OP did, call the Constitution “dusty old documents” that shouldn’t bind the nation on one hand, and in the same breath complain that the Supreme Court refused to rely on that “dusty old document” to overrule a law that the elected legislature of Mississippi chose to enact against a backdrop where the national legislature has never said anything different. There being no contrary federal law, that “dusty old document” is the only reason anyone has ever cared what nine lawyers think about abortion.

[1] There still isn’t—only 30% of Americans support Roe’s 22-24 week viability limit, and there is strong public support for restrictions that Roe prohibits: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-americans-stand-o.... Roe thus differs from even those other cases, like Griswold, that have become uncontroversial due to changes in public opinion.

Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by DangitBobby on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:24AM (#31354680)
There probably isn't strong support for the outright general ban that's coming to most states. My state has a trigger law and is unfortunately geographically right smack dab in the middle of a bunch of other states which will ban.
Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by rayiner on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:09AM (#31355292)
Where do you get “most states?” Only 13 states passed trigger laws after Roe. Nearly all are places where that’s probably what the majority in those states want. Several states like Michigan and Virginia have pre-existing bans on the books. I expect those will get quickly sorted out.
Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by DangitBobby on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:31PM (#31360873)
It is slightly less than half where abortion will likely be banned, my bad. I was looking at the chart on the link you gave. I didn't mean that most would automatically trigger.

> According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, a group that advocates for abortion rights, abortion would become illegal in about half the country if Roe were overturned. Its metric indicates that 24 states would likely ban abortion outright if Roe is weakened or overturned.

And I'd have to see numbers to believe you when you say that it's what the residents of those states want.

Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by rayiner on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:52PM (#31362731)
An estimate from an abortion advocacy organization about what happens if Roe is overturned means about as much as saying that america will become socialist if Biden is elected. If a state hasn’t been able to pass a trigger law yet—when they can do so just to virtue signal without actually having any consequences on abortion access—then it’s certainly not going to be able to do it after Roe is overruled when real chips are on the table.
Re:How to get rid of gerrymandering: the math is surprising by DangitBobby on Friday May 13, 2022 @01:52AM (#31363826)
It's literally a quote from an article you linked in support of something else you said. Anyway, time will tell.