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Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by throwaway894345 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:14AM (#31351216)
> In practical reality, if Russia were to attack Finland or Sweden now, the answer from NATO would be pretty much the same as if they were already members.

Really? Why is this true of Finland but not Ukraine?

Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by Sharlin on Thursday May 12, 2022 @08:23AM (#31352958)
Because NATO has the initiative here. The guarantees, unofficial or not, now function as a deterrent for possible Russian aggression. A promise/threat to join a hypothetical future conflict is very different from joining an existing conflict. One is a deterrent, the other is escalation.

Besides, Finland has been a close NATO ally for a long time, shares NATO values, our military is already 100% NATO compatible, and we are strategically and geopolitically a pretty important piece of the puzzle.

Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by yodelshady on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:44AM (#31352002)
Ukraine hadn't applied, until recently arguably didn't meet the military requirements, and - even before this year - had a border dispute in Donbas.

The latter is important, NATO is not a hired gun. Finland does have a stable border.

Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by denton-scratch on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:45AM (#31355821)
> had a border dispute in Donbas

Not to mention Crimea, whose annexation by Russia is accepted by nobody.

Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by fsloth on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:20AM (#31351273)
Because Ukraine was not in the explicit membership pipeline.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by klausjensen on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:26AM (#31351327)
Ukraine was not about to join NATO.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by selimthegrim on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:25AM (#31353791)
This is turnkey, UKR isn’t
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by Moru on Thursday May 12, 2022 @05:29AM (#31351356)
Because that would have been agressive from the NATO standpoint. Russia was not having a "war" with Ukraine, from Putins standpoint they were going into their own country to protect their citisens. That would just have played out Putins way to support his narrative that Russia is under attack from the rest of the world.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by Wildgoose on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:38AM (#31351955)
Because Ukraine was/is in a state of Civil War.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by denton-scratch on Thursday May 12, 2022 @11:46AM (#31355838)
That's not a "civil war"; Ukraine has been invaded by a foreign army.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by Wildgoose on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:00PM (#31358695)
Not in 2014 it wasn’t.
Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by klausjensen on Friday May 13, 2022 @08:50AM (#31366898)
Russia most certainly invaded.

"In response to the deteriorating situation in the Donbas, Russia abandoned its hybrid approach, and began a conventional invasion of the region. The first sign of this invasion was 25 August 2014 capture of a group of Russian paratroopers on active service in Ukrainian territory by the Ukrainian security service (SBU)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=In....

Re:Finland will seek NATO membership immediately by denton-scratch on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:35PM (#31359204)
What? That's exactly what happened in 2014!