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Re:Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after runn... by pavlov on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @10:30PM (#31348596)
For a lot of people, the game seems to be simply to grab the cash now and if regulators eventually come knocking, lawyer up, settle and keep most of your profits.

I remember a guy on HN a year or two ago who was very proud of the ICO he ran in 2017. The token was useless, investors lost their money, and he was fined something around a million dollars by the SEC. But to him that was a mark of pride, like he fought The Man and won. His excuse for scamming investors was basically “startups fail too, I’m a founder.”

The toxic startup hustle exemplified by Uber and some other companies ten years ago directly led to the utter moral collapse in crypto.

Re:Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after runn... by majormajor on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @10:34PM (#31348619)
It's just particularly amazing when someone doesn't even follow a "keep your mouth shut until after any potential legal fallout comes" playbook.

And like, if you're a crypto true-believer, any crash that may or may not happen this year probably doesn't mean too much: the surge in prices wasn't because of any particularly groundbreaking developments in terms of the main long-term pitches (e.g. "new financial infrastructure for the world"), even NFTs seemed to really follow the price run-up, not lead to it. It really looks more just like a lot of people gambling with cash to burn in a situation where a lot of traditional entertainment was less attractive if not outright restrictive. So keep your head down and keep building...

But building a trading platform then talking shit about stuff that as far as I can tell you are making money off of trading (e.g. Luna, https://help.ftx.com/hc/en-us/articles/4491807784852-FTX-wil... )... that just seems begging for trouble.

Re:Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after runn... by woodruffw on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @10:52PM (#31348751)
At the risk of starting a flamewar: I wonder about the relationship between the degraded practices of many startups and this sort of "got mine" mentality. The dominant pattern for startups over the last 10-15 years has been to soak up VC money, obtain massive valuations, flood the market with supply, and establish yourself as a hegemon once you've wiped out all of the stable but cash-poor competitors.

Perhaps it's excessive pattern matching, but it's hard not to see a civic relationship between the (correct) perception of startups as underhanded and the rise of an entire industry of scammers who will do and say anything to get ahead.

Re:Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after runn... by daniel-cussen on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:10AM (#31354463)
That's funny. Founder. Like if I were a woman I would treat that like, "What? You're in a band?" Like OK lead singer of a known band, then you're not in a band, you're in that band. But it's just nah.

So the view from the inside, like what a VC sees, is that everybody is piling up and it's so so easy to say "I've got hot shit" and you have to be like "yeah maybe." A lot of the time "don't pitch me bro." And set it up like a nightclub, realistically none of the founders will have real tech without getting it from real researchers, so they have to impress you with how well they work the club. Now that I say that I'm figuring out my own strat too, treat it like a club.

So the second secret, don't tell anybody, don't link to this comment, close the doors, unplug the ethernet, turn on the wifi jammers, put your smartphones in the faraday cage, the secret is: everybody wants you to lose. Everybody wants you to lose. Just like in a club. When you accept that, it's so much easier! The entire club wants you to prove you're a lesser man, like sit next to the bar waste your money on drinks (never on a hotel), parade in circles concentrically around the women dancing with their clique of girlfriends in the middle, asking like once or twice and feeling bad for months about being rejected, that's what the club wants the men to do. And there is violence at the club, it's not like "the worst that can happen is she says no" that's a load of shit, it depends on a lot of things.

So it's the same adversarial environment, everything going against you. Realize that, and it's suddenly much easier.