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Re:The ACLU Has Lost Its Way by rxhernandez on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @04:48AM (#31337398)
> It comes down to who get the power to define truth. That is not a problem if anyone is allowed to leave their opinion. There will be people that abuse that right and that is the cost of it.

I don't understand how you can call my issues with it trivial when I've heard this same propaganda over and over again for decades. I think the issue is that people made this propaganda their religion and are now unable to see that nuance can be used to safely reduce free speech.

You can't yell fire in a crowded fire when there is no fire can you? Why do you act like these safeguards don't already exist for other things?

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Re:The ACLU Has Lost Its Way by raxxorraxor on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @07:12AM (#31338270)
The propaganda is actually the people saying there are consequences for speech and it must therefore be limited. It is a trivial observation that there are consequences but that is of course not a justification to curb it. Again, the problem with "reasonable" exceptions is that someone has to define them. Free speech means the spread of ideas, it doesn't mean you are allowed to lie if you swear an oath to a judge.

But we specifically see language policing and idea suppression in supposedly scientific institutions (hot examples: climate change, gender, wars, racism, immigration, ...).

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