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Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by dathinab on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:48PM (#31330950)
Nono, you are getting all your facts wrong.

> Originally it wasn't even supposed to have a military presence.

Because each country has its own military presence and they all already cooperate anyway together in the NATO so they already had a connected military presence as part of NATO. The reason they consider making that plan explicit is due to a massive lost of trust in the US and realization that the US will put its interest before their interest. If you look at politics in the US in recent years a very sane thing to do.

EDIT: I mixed up passport and official ID below, still not needing a passport (or more precise being able to use your ID as passport) was more a beneficial side effect then a core goal.

> It was supposed to prevent the need of passports.

No definitely not. All or at least many of the EU countries have relatively strict requirements for citizens owing a passport. Strict as in _it being legal required for all adults_. You always had been required to carry a passport when traveling in the EU you just practically could (and still can) travel a lot without showing it. Having a passport is the norm in the EU, you won't get more or less anything done without. For EU citicens it can be quite hard to understand why "requiring a passport" (e.g. for votes) is a problem in the US, as it isn't in general in the EU.

> totalitarian regional government of elites

No, it's a mess without question. But it's very far away from being totalitarian. Or at least most member states are. There are a few problematic exceptions.

Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by reedjosh on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @03:32PM (#31331540)
> due to a massive lost of trust in the US and realization that the US will put its interest before their interest.

Sure. And that's reasonable. The US will do that.

I just think it goes against the original promises, and national sovereignty is being widdled away by larger governing bodies like the EU.

> But it's very far away from being totalitarian.

Okay, the legislation being suggested to monitor communications isn't totalitarian?

There are regulations on toasters!

Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by dathinab on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @04:03PM (#31331958)
> Okay, the legislation being suggested to monitor communications isn't totalitarian?

Problematic, Misguided, and can be abused by totalitarian regimes. Oh and also likely in conflict with EU law, Human Rights and some member constitution.

Which are very good reasons to prevent it.

But it's not necessary totalitarian by itself.

Re:Chat control: EU Commission presents mass surveillance pl... by tremon on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @06:30AM (#31337981)
You always had been required to carry a passport when traveling in the EU

Yes and no. A passport is a specific means of a legal identity document, and specifically a passport is not mandatory: you can also use a European Identity Card [1]. This serves as legal identification anywhere in the EU, but not outside. And inside your home country, a driver's license also suffices as legal identity document (for certain uses: in NL, you can use it to identify yourself to the police or when collecting packages at the post office, but you can't use it to open a new back account).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the...