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Re:No, America is not collapsing by falcolas on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:42PM (#31329207)
So, a few reference points. In 1980: the median household income was $17.7k. The median income for one individual was $12k. $80k in 1980 is roughly equivalent to $240,000 in 2020.

That was top-end middle class, absolute minimum.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/1982/demographi...

Re:No, America is not collapsing by ryandrake on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @01:52PM (#31330137)
$240,000 in Bay Area California is immensely different than $240,000 in the hills of West Virginia. Middle class is more of a lifestyle than a particular income number. It is entirely possible that middle class in a particular city includes people whose incomes are in the top 5% nationally, but still live barely comfortably because their high cost-of-living area.

I'd argue median income is irrelevant when it comes to assessing whether or not someone is living a middle class lifestyle.

Re:No, America is not collapsing by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:15PM (#31330460)
This has some merit currently - but far less so in the past.

NYC and The Bay area have always been expensive. But the difference 40-years ago was nowhere near as drastic as it is today.

Re:No, America is not collapsing by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:54PM (#31329374)
That would've been top 4% in income then.