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Re:No, America is not collapsing by pjc50 on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @11:16AM (#31328121)
The recent supreme court appointments underline the idea that the constitution says what the court says. If they can reinterpret it for Roe they can reinterpret it for Loving.
Re:No, America is not collapsing by s1artibartfast on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @11:48AM (#31328517)
Anything is "possible". My point is that there is a much more difficult case for reinterpretation of Loving.

On a practical level, I also think there is public support for gay an interracial marriage today in a way that there never was for Roe and later Casey. Most Americans cant even articulate what the abortion standards are.

Re:No, America is not collapsing by eigen on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:28PM (#31329014)
> I also think there is public support for gay an interracial marriage today in a way that there never was for Roe and later Casey.

48% support abortion under certain circumstances, 32% for any circumstance. so ~80% support allowing abortion. [1]

94% support interracial marriage. [2]

70% support same-sex marriage. [3]

seems to follow the age of the legal decision. Loving was in 1967, Roe was in 1973, Obergefell in 2015.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

[2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-mar...

[3] https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same...

Re:No, America is not collapsing by s1artibartfast on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:52PM (#31331007)
I think your data more or less supports my conclusion.

The idea that the conservative supreme court is about to overturn Loving is absurd. 94% of the population supports it and Clarence Thomas is in an interracial marriage himself for heavens sake.

Time since decision is a factor as you mention, but the rates of change are an order of magnitude different. Support for gay marriage has increased about 40% in 20 years. Interracial marriage increased 90%! in 70 years. For abortion, "legal under any circumstances" has seen the biggest change and increased ~10% in 50 years. The pro-live/pro-choice chart is even more telling showing stagnation for the last 20 years.

Abortion is a complex decision tree with 100s of options and 71% of people fall between the extremes of no-exception legal or illegal [1], and dissatisfaction with current laws is at an all time high [2]. I just don't see the same motivation to overturn Loving and Obergefell which are binary issues the overwhelming majority are happy with.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americans-vi...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/283916/dissatisfaction-abortion...

Re:No, America is not collapsing by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @03:48PM (#31331742)
You don't see Roe itself as an example of "the constitution says what the court says"?