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Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by kortilla on Monday May 09, 2022 @11:49PM (#31323239)
Opposing view.

Cloudflare doesn’t own anything significant in the form of data centers. Having small rented footprints at IXPs across the globe is not an asset, it’s just a cost. I’m not downplaying the difficulty of getting it setup but there is no intrinsic value in having it if demand for their product collapses.

> Developer sentiment towards Cloudflare is comparable to Apple fanboys of the previous decade

This is far from true. People begrudgingly pay protection money to cloudflare to protect themselves from DDoS attacks. Very few significant operations depend deeply on the cloudflare stack. It has not been the AWS alternative it set out to be with the launch of its lambda like edge compute products.

An AWS, Azure, or Google DDoS protection product could eat Cloudflare’s market in a hot minute. Cloudflare can’t escape being a “feature” of a cloud provider.

(Disclosure, I sold out of Cloudflare at the end of the year when it failed to gain significant traction.)

Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by tshaddox on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:06AM (#31323343)
Why do you call it “protection money”? Surely Cloudflare doesn’t directly or indirectly cause DDoS attacks for people who don’t pay them.
Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by londons_explore on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:10AM (#31323998)
Well it is certainly good for cloudflares business if a DDoS attacks become more common....
Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by onion2k on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:05AM (#31323335)
Cloudflare doesn’t own anything significant in the form of data centers. Having small rented footprints at IXPs across the globe is not an asset, it’s just a cost. I’m not downplaying the difficulty of getting it setup but there is no intrinsic value in having it if demand for their product collapses.

I don't understand this point. If there's a risk that demand will collapse isn't it better not to own the data centers? By renting CF can reduce their costs quickly in the face of falling demand. That's a feature.

An AWS, Azure, or Google DDoS protection product could eat Cloudflare’s market in a hot minute. Cloudflare can’t escape being a “feature” of a cloud provider.

This is also true of any other software company though - at some point a bigger company might offer whatever product as a feature. It's just a risk of building a software company - what we build is largely straightforward to copy. That doesn't mean there's no value in software as a product though.

Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by kortilla on Sunday May 22, 2022 @03:35PM (#31471887)
> there's a risk that demand will collapse isn't it better not to own the data centers? By renting CF can reduce their costs quickly in the face of falling demand. That's a feature.

But it’s not an asset. Do you know what an asset is?

Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by jsjohnst on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:15AM (#31323390)
> Cloudflare doesn’t own anything significant in the form of data centers. Having small rented footprints at IXPs across the globe is not an asset, it’s just a cost.

Akamai is the leading global CDN provider, want to guess how many data centers they own? Sure, owning a data center is an asset, but it’s also a liability too.

Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by bogomipz on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @01:12AM (#31323670)
How is it a liability? It's real estate holdings, often in or near desirable cities.
Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by AceyMan on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:12AM (#31323372)
Capitalism is just a bad ecology.

When whole species get torn down in one solar year bc some other species began to adopt a winning adaptation, that seems prone to overshooting (excessive curve fitting to the first derivative), with odd/suboptimal outcomes as no surprise.

Re:Coinbase stock lost over 75% value by nverno on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @12:25AM (#31323442)
without natural competition this would be a barren planet