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Re:Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Firefox Forks Waterfox Cl... by pketh on Monday May 09, 2022 @04:42PM (#31319436)
Individuals don’t really have lobbying power. It’d be great if we could solve problems like this comprehensively with legislation, but in the meantime shaming a company into doing the right thing is perhaps all that a small but vocal group of people really can do right now.

Perfect is the enemy of the good, especially in this case.

Re:Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Firefox Forks Waterfox Cl... by smt88 on Monday May 09, 2022 @06:17PM (#31320569)
How can you shame Cloudflare in this case? This is a very niche issue that non-technical people won't even care about. I don't even think people should be using Waterfox or Pale Moon -- it's the enormous power that Cloudflare holds that bothers me. And it's in their best interest (i.e. the interests of their owners) to do things like this.

"Corporations are too powerful" is a much more popular position than "Cloudflare shouldn't block certain browser," which means that adding your voice -- by donating, voting selectively, and/or calling officials -- is a better bet than trying to get people to care about this.

Re:Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Firefox Forks Waterfox Cl... by pketh on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @03:00PM (#31331132)
> How can you shame Cloudflare in this case? This is a very niche issue that non-technical people won't even care about

shame doesn't have to be seen by everyone to work – just by those they rely on. In this case, technical people who are responsible for choosing to adopt cloudflare in companies come to regard it badly, and discourage its use in the future or switch to competitors. Cloudflare is now motivated to change.

Re:Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Firefox Forks Waterfox Cl... by t0suj4 on Monday May 09, 2022 @07:30PM (#31321280)
Get some people together and build something for people that don't want to use cloudfare for their hosting.

I don't want any individual to have strong lobbying power.

Re:Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Firefox Forks Waterfox Cl... by pketh on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @02:54PM (#31331037)
+1 for more competition