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Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by tshaddox on Sunday May 08, 2022 @02:21PM (#31306617)
If you live in a society controlled by people who have concluded that it’s okay if your outcomes are terrible because you culture, genes, cognitive abilities, etc. are inferior, then I don’t really see any sense in which it makes sense to say that you received “equality of opportunity.” And my claim is completely independent of how confident the powerful people are that their beliefs about your inferiority are big-T True.
Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by thegrimmest on Sunday May 08, 2022 @02:40PM (#31306827)
You're assuming that economic outcome is the one metric by which all people should be equalized. This seems a bit presumptive doesn't it?

> culture, genes, cognitive abilities, etc. are inferior

No one said they are inferior, only that they seem produce different results. It's you who is characterizing these as inferior. Equality of opportunity is apparent through the fact there is no policy (that I'm aware of), explicitly targeting people by, say, race (whatever that means), and that such policies are illegal.

This fact alone however provides no guarantee of economic equality, nor was it ever intended to, nor has economic equality ever been a goal of legal equality. The reasons for economic inequality are myriad and complex, and people have devoted their entire careers to their study. Did you watch the video I linked? What do you think of Dr. Sowell's perspective?

Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by tshaddox on Sunday May 08, 2022 @09:04PM (#31309455)
> You're assuming that economic outcome is the one metric by which all people should be equalized. This seems a bit presumptive doesn't it?

I didn’t mention anything specifically about economic outcomes, although obviously money can have a big effect on important outcomes like nutrition and medical care.

> No one said they are inferior, only that they seem produce different results. It's you who is characterizing these as inferior.

Someone did say this. The comment I’m responding to used the terms “drastically worse outcomes” and “lesser people.” Also, I’m not here to quibble about questions like “is it really worse to be starving than to be well-fed?”

Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by Crabber on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:13PM (#31307199)
It is far more empathetic and fair to acknowledge people's genetic disadvantages and adjust expectations accordingly, than to demand everyone competes at the same level.

Which is why women have their own sports leagues instead of being forced to compete with men.

It is you that is injecting the idea of "inferiority". Women and children cannot compete athletically with men, and that's okay. I don't think that you would try to suggest that women's and under 18's football leagues were the result of "society being controlled by people who have concluded that these groups are genetically inferior".

Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by thegrimmest on Sunday May 08, 2022 @03:17PM (#31307233)
I couldn't agree more, and think the comparison to sports is particularly apt. No one reaches for "marginalization" when trying to explain why various sports leagues do not follow the general population with regards to ethnic composition. Also no one seems to be upset when genetic and cultural factors are offered as an explanation. Go figure.
Re:Equality is prevented by the misperception that it harms ... by tshaddox on Sunday May 08, 2022 @08:58PM (#31309429)
I don’t think I’m injecting anything. The comment I’m referring to used the terms “drastically worse outcomes” and “lesser people.” I think my usage of “inferior” is a straightforward synonym.