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Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by changoplatanero on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:50AM (#31257482)
How hot does waste heat from data centers get? Is it up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit? Seems like it would be difficult to efficiently transport that heat into nearby homes.
Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by cmutel on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:59AM (#31257545)
The Nordic countries are famous for pioneering low temperature district heating. This can be as low as 50 C. Sorry, no citation, this is what I heard at a project meeting on district heating networks in Switzerland.

District heating with such (relatively) low temperatures is no problem, the energy to pump is much less than the energy to heat. My house is heated from nuclear waste heat pumped more around 10 kilometers.

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by Hamuko on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:02AM (#31257569)
My apartment will be heated by Microsoft Teams calls.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12363215

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by Symbiote on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:09AM (#31257610)
This is the English part of the website for the Danish District Heat Association.

My apartment and office (like much of Copenhagen) are heated through incinerated waste.

https://www.danskfjernvarme.dk/sitetools/english

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by brtkdotse on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:10AM (#31257618)
A lot of housing in Sweden is heated using left over heat from the industry (“spillvärme”). The industries actually rely on this for cooling.

From what I hear, it’s usually pretty expensive compared to ground/air-to-water heat pumps (1 SEK vs 0.4 SEK per kWh of heat)

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by danuker on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:27AM (#31257713)
> The industries actually rely on this for cooling.

And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months?

> it’s usually pretty expensive

So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by c_o_n_v_e_x on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @08:58AM (#31259762)
>And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months?

You keep working and dump the excess heat to the air.

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by Symbiote on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:18AM (#31261699)
> So why do people heat that way?

I'm not sure of the historical costs, but benefits are reducing dependencies on particular energy sources, reducing global warming, and heat pumps not being invented yet (long ago).

There is legislation along the lines of houses built here must be connected, just like they must also be connected to the sewage system.

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by raverbashing on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @04:15AM (#31257980)
I'm guessing the heat pump cost is only the cost of electricity (which can vary as well) and not the cost of the pump
Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by brtkdotse on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @08:53AM (#31259727)
Correct. Cost of heat pump installation is €10k-25k, cost of distributed heating is <€5k
Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by wasmitnetzen on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:56AM (#31257858)
Stockholm has the "Open District Heating" project doing that: https://www.opendistrictheating.com/

(Disclaimer: I work for a company involved in this)

Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by changoplatanero on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:54AM (#31257508)
Oh I see that they can use heat pumps to concentrate the heat and make its reuse more efficient
Re:Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract... by m_eiman on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:00AM (#31257551)
Yes, the water is heated to 90-120 Celcius before being circulated.