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Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by epgui on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @09:46PM (#31255873)
The public is a collection of individuals.
Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by psyc on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:42AM (#31256844)
And? A collection of individuals isn’t an individual. That’s why we don’t say that collectivist societies are all about the individual. They aren’t. It’s the opposite.
Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by epgui on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:07PM (#31262379)
In this case, the goals of the public and of the individual are aligned.

A few of the best ways to lose your individual autonomy are to die or become ill or disabled.

Optimizing for as little of that as possible across society is a good thing for individual freedoms.

Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by psyc on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @01:13PM (#31263230)
It isn’t individualism unless the individual is determining their own goals, and deciding what’s best for themselves. As soon as you have policy deciding what the public good is, you’re no longer discussing what individualists mean by individual freedom, at all. You’re subordinating the individual to the public good. I’m not trying to invalidate your other points, I’m asking you to please not try to frame them as ‘individual freedom, actually.’ I can’t stand doublespeak.
Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by epgui on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:42AM (#31269945)
It really is not doublespeak. There are many examples of collective action / public policy that have the effect of maximizing or enabling individual autonomy.