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Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by woodruffw on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @07:18PM (#31254837)
> The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you?

This describes every AdTech firm to a T, except that you’ve decided to direct your ire at a public health agency instead of them. The entire point of commercial advertising is to nudge your purchasing behavior (what they’ll blithely refer to as “lifestyle”); the CDC has no such motive.

Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by thegrimmest on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @08:17PM (#31255345)
There is an enormous difference between a corporation "nudging" me to buy something with an ad, and a government body using the full weight of its authority to force my compliance with their policies. I'm much more comfortable being nudged than I am being forced.
Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by woodruffw on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:44AM (#31256852)
There is indeed an enormous difference, but I find this reasoning funny: when a government issues an order by fiat, there is no ambiguity with regards to your consent. You can either be on board or not; either way, there is a clear line between your opinion (and therefore what you will) and what is dictated to you.

This can’t be said for nudges: the entire point of an effective nudge is that you can’t be certain that you aren't acting of your own volition. That strikes me as a much worse state of affairs: not only are you controlled, but you don’t even know it!

TL;DR: two years after this entire fracas, it’s apparent that the government’s ability to force you to do anything w/r/t public health is mostly hollow. Meanwhile, the continence of our actions online seems to be increasingly shaky.

Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by thegrimmest on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @10:26AM (#31260922)
> You can either be on board or not

Not exactly, you can be on board or suffer whatever punitive action is designed to "incentivize" you. You can't just politely decline to comply or participate.

> not only are you controlled, but you don’t even know it

I don't think we should equate "being controlled" - which is a rather horrific thing when done directly with the threat of violence - with being nudged. When you are nudged, you are in fact acting of your own volition. If you disagree you have to define what "your own volition" means exactly. To me it means acting in the absence of a threat of violence.

> the government’s ability to force you to do anything w/r/t public health is mostly hollow

Plenty of business owners were arrested and imprisoned for refusing to comply with public health measures. Many, many more suffered the closure of their business and the loss of their livelihoods by complying.

Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by artificialLimbs on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @07:48PM (#31255096)
They wanted me to purchase vaccines, but indirectly because they want everyone to pay for them.
Re:CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans follow... by woodruffw on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:39AM (#31256825)
Yes, that’s normally how taxes and uniform policies work. I suppose you could be opposed to either or both of those things in the abstract, but expressing your ire at vaccines specifically strikes me as special pleading.