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Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by echelon on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:32PM (#31251787)
This study/paper is ridiculous.

Anecdotal, but I've had lots of dogs growing up. We have five right now. This does not reflect the reality I know.

Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs.

Corgis are protective, commandeering, and can be aggressive. They'll bully other dogs away from food. But they're incredibly loving, needy, and prone to feeling lonely. Again, it's a breed characteristic.

Australian shepherds are outgoing, cheerful, and tend to be neurotic. A corgi might be needy, but they won't ever express it like an Australian shepherd. A corgi will nudge you. An Aussie will dance on top of you and sometimes freak out.

Look at which dog breeds are most likely to attack humans. There are histograms for all this data. It correlates strongly with breed!

Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by Maximus9000 on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @04:42PM (#31253325)
Also corgi owner here. Your description is perfect. I've owned two now. My first was pleasant like a nice family golden retriver. My second was exactly how you describe - I like the word "commandeering".

Even the queens corgis, who I'm sure got the best training money can buy, were still exactly as you describe. FTA below "For while the Queen adores them, others fear being a victim of their dark side."

https://www.macleans.ca/royalty/as-queen-elizabeth-iis-last-...

Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by hirvi74 on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @09:25PM (#31255749)
> Shiba inu act like cats and prefer to spend time away from their person. They frequently get kicked out of dog parks for not being friendly to other dogs. It's documented and well-studied. They're not at all like other dogs.

Came to these comments just for this breed.

Mine is identical to what you describe except he is pretty friendly to other dogs, but my SO and I had to do a ton or work socializing him when he was young.

Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by spike021 on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @06:12PM (#31254280)
I have a shiba inu and you are exactly right.

A lot like cats.

Hugely stubborn.

Incredibly independent.

Exactly as described when I was doing my research originally and deciding to get one.

I haven't done a single thing to make him that way, either.

Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by livinglist on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @12:14AM (#31256688)
I have an Akita and also my previous one was also an Akita, and I bring my dogs to dog parks pretty frequently, I also have a group of people who also have Akita, and my observation is that Akita tends to be loyal but lazy af… they literally been lying on the ground all days long, and not that interested in toys too…
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:15AM (#31257276)
I have an Akita as well! mine is not active at all too… I really think it’s in their DNA…
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by livinglist on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:35AM (#31257762)
lol yah I really don’t know why though, it’s such an comparison between Akita and shiba…
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @05:23AM (#31258315)
I agree lol Shiba is chill af
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @01:35PM (#31263497)
hey do you live in Bay Area we have a dog meet this weekend
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @01:52PM (#31263666)
we would go to the beach in SF, it’s all Akita
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:13PM (#31263917)
this is more than a test actually
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:01PM (#31263779)
this is more like a test
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:07PM (#31263844)
but if not that’s ok
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by take_it_not on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @05:19AM (#31258289)
they sometimes do be like Australian Shepard though, especially when I bring ‘‘em to parks ..
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by livinglist on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @05:22AM (#31258312)
lol I barely seen them like that though… don’t know about that
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by godfuker on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:07PM (#31264561)
seriously though?
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by godfuker on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @03:05PM (#31264532)
what is wrong with this thread….
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by thephyber on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @06:45PM (#31254542)
I don’t find the study ridiculous and I have met dozens of each breed you mentioned.

I find that most people assume the entire population of dogs grew up in a house and have been reasonably well looked after. In practice, I have seen lots of dogs that have that kind of history and lots of dogs that have had traumas that cause them to resource guard or be reactive to people and/or other animals (these behaviors are not bred, but are specific to individuals / life experience).

I totally agree that some behaviors that have been selected for have very high correlation with the breed, but lots of other behaviors are far less correlated. My Aussie will nudge me with his nose, more like the Corgis you mentioned and less like the Aussies you mentioned. Breed implies correlation of some phenotypes, not causation.

In the end, language matters. The title of the Nature article is a Rorschach. In practice, headlines are usually written by someone other than the author and almost always lose significant detail because they are short.

Definitions are really important here. I love herding breeds, but they were bred to nip at ankles and butts of livestock. Is that considered an “attack”? Does the person defining what behaviors are an “attack” have an incentive to exclude those small harm incidents? Chihuahuas are notorious for being aggressive and giving nips, but they present as small, quick incidents, whereas large breeds are more likely to bite down and/or swing the neck like a shark does. Does that difference bias the stats reporting/legislation choices?

Also, “Pit Bull” isn’t a breed. It is a vague intuition of some of the “bully breeds”. I always have to wonder if people pointing at attack frequency lists which show that inaccurate term are accurate. Did those lists gather data that actually investigated pedigrees or did they eyeball/guess breed based on assumptions?

Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by ranguna on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @02:59AM (#31257544)
It's good that you have personalised experience with the topic but don't let that cloud you judgement around the study. 5 samples is not a good base to conclude anything.
Re:Study of pet dogs shows breed does not predict behaviour by cato_the_elder on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:43PM (#31251914)
It seems that every day we are getting one step closer to Lysenkoism [1].

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism