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Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by Retric on Monday May 02, 2022 @10:27PM (#31243720)
Assuming the plastics started from atmospheric CO2 in the first place, noting.
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by lisper on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:06AM (#31245205)
But plastics are not made from atmospheric CO2, they are made from fossil hydrocarbons, i.e. from oil.
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by Retric on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @07:23AM (#31246980)
Not all plastics are made from fossil fuels, and photochemsyn was suggesting: “making plastics from biomass carbon sources or from direct air capture”
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by lisper on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @11:12AM (#31249297)
That's true, but it misses the point rather badly. A big reason that CO2 is a problem is that it is very stable. Getting it out of the atmosphere at scale requires vast amounts of energy. So if your goal is to reduce the amount of atmospheric CO2 (and if it's not then you've essentially given up on the future of civilization) it is much better not to let the carbon get into the atmosphere in the first place. Carbon in plastic is already sequestered. Dumping it back into the atmosphere is not progress.
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by Retric on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @12:37PM (#31250357)
That’s perfectly reasonable in the short term. Long term however we don’t want to endlessly extract CO2 either, so eventually we will want a pure equilibrium state with zero net gain or loss in atmospheric CO2.
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by lisper on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @12:43PM (#31250418)
Yes, of course. But I don't see any circumstances under which returning the carbon in plastics to the atmosphere contributes to that goal.
Re:An illustrated guide to plastic straws (2021) by wildmanx on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @10:24AM (#31248689)
The overwhelming majority is. So much that it's not even worth discussing the rest since it makes it look like it's not all that bad. Yes, it is that bad.