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Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by jfengel on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:02PM (#31217864)
And CERN is literally the reason we're here on th Web right now.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by moonchrome on Saturday April 30, 2022 @02:34PM (#31218113)
That's a huge stretch. CERN might be a reason we have the web that looks like it looks today, but we would have something similar with or without CERN.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by davrosthedalek on Saturday April 30, 2022 @03:56PM (#31218767)
We might be stuck with compuserve and AOL.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by vidarh on Saturday April 30, 2022 @05:05PM (#31219352)
We had the internet before the web, and we had gopher. So we had an open network, the client server model and links. What the web brought was a more flexible protocol and document format. That was important, but there's no way we'd have been stuck with compuserve or AOL.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by webmaven on Tuesday May 10, 2022 @06:42PM (#31333626)
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by SiempreViernes on Saturday April 30, 2022 @05:29PM (#31219559)
Do you remember the time when messenger services were open to third party clients? You could actually talk to all your friends using only one app!

Those days have ended.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by vidarh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @03:33AM (#31222951)
I could not talk to all my friends on only one app, as the vast majority of people were not online. If anything, a far larger number of people are still on open services today than were back then; there are just even more people on locked down services.

But why you brought this up in a discussion about the invention of the web, I have no idea.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by efitz on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:53PM (#31221022)
Do you remember the AIM/MSN wars, where AOL was literally building buffer overflows into their protocols to prevent MSN messenger from interoperating?

There never was a golden age of interoperability on the internet, at least not after HTTP. Maybe there was a lot of cooperation when it was purely academic in the late 70s and 80s. BBS operators often were cooperative. But commercial internet has always and forever been cutthroat.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by jacquesm on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:33PM (#31220916)
We may well be stuck with the equivalent of those again, only we'll call them Google and Facebook.
Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by efitz on Saturday April 30, 2022 @08:49PM (#31220997)
We had gopher and SGML before and independently of CERN. The internet was just starting to take off; dial-up modem BBS emigres were getting shell accounts at early ISPs around that time (I know; I had such an account and worked at such an ISP).

Just because TBL happened to work at CERN and have a need for hypermedia, doesn't mean that we wouldn't have the WWW in approximately the same shape in approximately the same time frame without CERN or TBL.

Re:Did the W-boson just “break the standard model”? by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday May 01, 2022 @06:36AM (#31223826)
In an alternative timeline we could have had

[1] http://www.art.net/studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/hyperlook/ind...

[2] https://donhopkins.medium.com/hyperlook-nee-hypernews-nee-go... (with screen shots)

[3] https://libarynth.org/hyperlook (larger screenshots)

based on

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

running atop of whatever, maybe even

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project

&

[6] http://tronweb.super-nova.co.jp/homepage.html

instead of the bloat we have now.