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Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by ajross on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:09PM (#3121652)
FTA: Fans of Android, let’s not tiptoe around this: Android exists because it is a rip off of iOS. Sure, it has grown into its own in a lot of ways, but its roots are decidedly placed at the introduction of iOS in 2007

While true, I continue to find it infuriating the extent to which people credit Apple with inventing things it didn't. The iPhone was not the first touch-only buttonless interface out there (depending on how liberal you want to be, you can credit the art directors of Star Trek TNG in 1987 with that). Nor was it the first app store.

It did these things better, and is certainly worth immitating. But to "date" the start of Android to 2007 like that is writing out a huge chunk of history.

Edit: To clarify, because people clearly don't understand why I see hypocrisy here: The moral context to this quote is that Apple did something first and Google copied it, and that this kind of copying is bad. But obviously Apple copied just as much from other sources when they "invented" the iPhone (including things like a full-size capacitative touch screen and app store). You can't simulataneously argue that it's OK for Apple to copy and not Google; I posited that this was ignorance on the part of the author and not stupidity, and noted that I found it infuriating.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by dlss on Monday October 17, 2011 @03:01PM (#3121900)
Android inc was founded by Andy Rubin in 2003, bought by google in 2005, and unveiled its first phone in 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Not being an insider, it might be true that no one at Android inc was talking about touch screens before 2007. But probably not. Ultimately, we can't observe what we really want to talk about here -- what would have happened without iOS.

The same compassion can go both ways; here is a link to one of many "iOS after Android" articles: http://techthirst.com/?p=414

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by ajross on Monday October 17, 2011 @04:19PM (#3122264)
The techthirst link is great. I'll remember that one for these sorts of pointless flames. And just to be clear: Apple "copying" all that stuff is a good thing, because it improves the platform.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by schiffern on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @03:46AM (#3124299)
I got as far as,

>since iOS was not built from top-to-bottom for multi-tasking functionality...

before realizing that the author is just trolling.

iOS supported multi-tasking from day 1 -- it was a stripped-down Mac OS X, after all. They intentionally restricted multi-tasking to avoid performance and battery-life issues, a trade-off which is still paying dividends in their UX.

Apple forces developers to ask themselves, "do I really need multi-tasking?" Often the answer is "no," and the user benefits from that conversation.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by vetinari on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @04:04AM (#3124339)
That's one interpretation.

Do not forget, that Apple has attitude "users do not know what they want, they will take what we offer". You don't know, whether users would be better off with multitasking or not, because you can't compare these two scenarios.

Sure, you don't need multitasking for checking in with Foursquare. You pretty much need for Location or Tasker. IOS users are not aware, that such applications exists and they are not missing them. If they would be used to them, they would miss it. Same with Swype and other apps available on Android.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by jessedhillon on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:32PM (#3121767)
There is a link in the very next sentence that illustrates what he's talking about[1]. Yes Android was a product before 2007, but as he says (and as the photos suggest), Android post-2007 was a much different beast.

There's also this question on Quora[2]. IMO, it was much closer to the BlackBerry.

[1] http://random.andrewwarner.com/what-googles-android-looked-l...

[2] http://www.quora.com/Android-OS/What-did-Android-look-like-b...

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by mladenkovacevic on Monday October 17, 2011 @03:39PM (#3122080)
True... but who gives a shit. I don't know why articles like this always demand some homage be paid to Apple. Apple did a great job with certain key elements of the user experience and Android jumped on board. As somebody buying one phone or the other it really doesn't concern me who invented it. Same thing on the other side of the argument. Android had notifications first.. and now iOS5 has them too. I really don't care who "made it all possible"

If I'm buying a sexy-looking stainless steel oven made by Samsung... I couldn't care less that General Electric was the genius that made the first one.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by tomkarlo on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:38PM (#3121784)
Basing that entirely on the UI seems like a really superficial view of what goes into both Android and iOS. If it was just a matter of ripping off the UI, Microsoft, RIM and Palm would still be in the game.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by mbreese on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:47PM (#3121835)
They aren't basing it off of UI as much as form-factor... and that is hardly superficial.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by ajross on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:54PM (#3121865)
Nor, as was pointed out, is it an Apple invention. You could just as easily claim that Apple and Google ripped off the LG Prada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by jessedhillon on Monday October 17, 2011 @03:04PM (#3121921)
It was pointed out by you, and it was irrelevant. Nobody claimed it was an Apple invention, and if you want to go down this slippery slope let's attribute everything to the first guy who put pixels on a screen. I'm certain everything else in the history of application development and user interfaces derives from that as a plainly obvious application.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by ajross on Monday October 17, 2011 @03:18PM (#3121974)
Then you agree with me that Apple didn't invent the UI or form factor, and merely aggregated/imitated/improved on the work of others. Which is exactly the same thing Google did with Android.

So... what are we arguing about?

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by schiffern on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @03:38AM (#3124280)
Images of the LG Prada were first leaked on Dec 15, 2006. The iPhone was announced on Jan 9, 2007. It's hard to imagine that Apple revamped the entire form-factor of their two-year phone project in 25 days.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by vetinari on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @04:00AM (#3124322)
LG Prada was first presented in September 2006, so you could add another 90 days to the 25 figure.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by Zash on Monday October 17, 2011 @04:51PM (#3122397)
Or claim that all of them ripped off Neonode
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by tomkarlo on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:59PM (#3121894)
The form-factor is definitely part of the UI/UX of these devices. I'm sure Apple had various wacky prototypes as well that never made it to market.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by jessedhillon on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:55PM (#3121868)
I think it's pretty clear that the article is written from the perspective of a user, and the critiques are mainly about user experience. At that level of use, it doesn't matter if they have original kernels or innovative dev environments (except that they create greater availability of high-quality apps)
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by zerotype on Monday October 17, 2011 @02:52PM (#3121856)
It basically was the start. Yes, other devices existed before the iphone. Not a single device did what the iphone did as well as it did. He never claimed that apple invented new technology. He is just saying that apple actually made a smart phone that was better than every other smart phone, did a touch screen right, and changed smart phones.
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by wvenable on Monday October 17, 2011 @03:49PM (#3122116)
The iPhone might be considered a rip-off my SE P800 running Symbian from 2002. Touch screen with no physical buttons on front and apps displayed as rows of icons on the main screen.

Oh yeah, and it had apps too. That's 5 years before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the concept they just made it work.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by technoslut on Monday October 17, 2011 @10:59PM (#3123656)
>Apple didn't invent the concept they just made it work.

No one argues that. The point made is whether Android is a ripoff (or heavily influenced) by iOS. The gap is far wider between the iPhone/P800 than it is between iOS and Android. If the P800 was that influential, early Android prototypes would've resembled the P800 instead of a Blackberry.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by wvenable on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @11:02AM (#3125460)
Even with Windows Mobile there were blackberry-like keyboarded phones (like the WinMo Treo) and all-screen touch screen phones. The assumption here is that Android only had plans for the former but I can't see that being entirely true given the market at the time. But, after the iPhone, almost everyone dropped their blackberry-like designs (except RIM).
Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by technoslut on Tuesday October 18, 2011 @11:32AM (#3125589)
The first prototype that Android showed resembled the Blackberry. The first device that they released was the G1. There is no way that within 1 1/2 years that Google decided to change course in regards to production schedule unless they felt there was a disruptive product being released.

You are ignoring the obvious when, in most cases, that is the truth. It doesn't mean that Google was necessarily wrong for what they did because they clearly were not if you're measuring by market share. It also doesn't mean that Android doesn't have its own identity.

Re:Four months with Android (An iOS user's exploration) by nhangen on Monday October 17, 2011 @04:09PM (#3122218)
I don't think the OP meant copying was bad. I got the impression he/she is OK with it as long as it's done right.