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Re:Robinhood reports 43% revenue decline by gruez on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:24AM (#31213555)
Here's a concrete example why that rule might be wanted:

1. Clearinghouse member A buys 1000 shares at $200 each, costing a total of $200k. On the day of trade (not settlement) they put up $20k in collateral.

2. Clearinghouse member B buys 2000 shares at $200 each, costing a total of $400k. On the day of trade (not settlement) they put up $40k in collateral

3. Something bad happens. The price of the stock drops to $150, and clearinghouse member A goes bankrupt. They're supposed to pay $200k for the shares they bought, but they can't and those shares are now worth $150k, so they owe the clearinghouse $50k. They only put up $20k in collateral so there's a $30k shortfall.

4. The clearinghouse somehow socializes the losses, presumably using some of the collateral from member B to make up the deficit. Now member B is short $30k.

For a small amount they might be able to cover it out of pocket, but if it was sufficiently large they won't be able to. In that case the net result is that the customer had their funds seized (because their funds were used for the clearinghouse collateral) but their brokerage can't pay for the stock. Forcing the brokerage to use their own funds prevents this problem. The brokerage and their creditors might still lose money, but their customers shouldn't be affected.

Re:Robinhood reports 43% revenue decline by SilasX on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:45PM (#31217296)
I don't know what that has to do with a customer who put up (100% of) $10k to buy $10k of stock and is prevented by their broker from backing out.
Re:Robinhood reports 43% revenue decline by gruez on Saturday April 30, 2022 @01:16PM (#31217509)
Because there are two distinct layers to the system, the clearinghouse to its members, and its members (brokerages) to their customers. All the clearinghouse cares about is that the member can put up the collateral on the day of trade, and on the day of settlement they show up with the rest of the money. Whether the clearinghouse member's customer paid for their stock in cash or on margin doesn't concern them. There isn't a mechanism for robinhood (or any other brokerage) to tell the clearinghouse "hey this trade is 100% good because the customer is buying it with settled cash in his account, so waive the collateral requirement".

I think what you're trying to ask is that if clearinghouse somehow knew that a given buy order would be good (ie. was paid with settled cash), then this whole fiasco wouldn't have occurred. That's true, and that's essentially what T+0 settlement is (ie. you have to come up with all the money on the day of trade).

Re:Robinhood reports 43% revenue decline by SilasX on Monday May 02, 2022 @03:08PM (#31239428)
This is a copy of the previous thread. As before, this latest reply just prompts the question: how can a broker promise that the collateral is good, but not the initial funds for the purchase? [1] Apparently, they have a way to say “oh no these funds are good, you can trust them” … but only for the collateral, not for customer funds that have lived for years in the same account.

And for that matter, how can bankruptcy even matter? These are all funds that live in a separate bucket from the rest of operations. Even in a bankruptcy, they wouldn’t disappear (like your coat at a dry cleaner’s.

[1] Recall the comment about how you’re implicitly supposing a “credible lockup of funds” primitive, which has a strange structure, on closer examination: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27694540

Re:Robinhood reports 43% revenue decline by gruez on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @02:54AM (#31245471)
>how can a broker promise that the collateral is good, but not the initial funds for the purchase? [1]

1. the collateral is good because it's transferred/wired on the day of purchase.

2. as mentioned in my previous comment, that could theoretically be done today (ie. "trust me, I can definitely come up with the money on the day of settlement"), but it's not done for various reasons.

>And for that matter, how can bankruptcy even matter? These are all funds that live in a separate bucket from the rest of operations. Even in a bankruptcy, they wouldn’t disappear (like your coat at a dry cleaner’s.

but in the scenario mentioned above, how are you going to recover the funds? specifically, from where are you going to get the money to make the seller whole?