Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal?

Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by eganist on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:53PM (#31209895)

> The purchase is completed before he gets it home and finds new conditions being imposed. That the part that I question about being legal.

My experience (IANAL and I don't know the specific laws here): you can return the product if you don't agree to the bundled licensing terms, generally even if you've opened it and encountered the licensing terms after the fact (though not every retailer may appreciate this one).

I've gotten a few "non-refundable" refunds after being given legal terms post-purchase that I didn't agree to. Most recently a talent release for an event. But in every case, I had to prove that the agreements weren't available pre-purchase.

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by EMIRELADERO on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:57PM (#31209946)

Or you can just use the product normally without agreeing to it. Look up "unconscionability"

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by Brian_K_White on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:53PM (#31210990)

You can't use it without agreeing, unless you are saying there is 3rd party firmware you can install which doesn't have the eula and doesn't perform the data collection and unsolicited updates.

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by eganist on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:09PM (#31210067)

I guess my point was moreso that legal agreements sprung upon you post-purchase could make for a useful escape hatch.

If you want to use the product, shrug. But if you suddenly don't, then hey, there's a potential exit.

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by JohnHaugeland on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:15PM (#31210121)

sadly high end electronics are typically written to prevent this, which is pretty awful

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by EMIRELADERO on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:44PM (#31210365)

I was referring to not agreeing to the comtract but still clicking the "I agree" button to use the camera.

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Re:Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal? by Brian_K_White on Friday April 29, 2022 @05:57PM (#31211032)

What good does this do? The machine and the company will still do things you don't want.

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