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Re:Is everything falling apart? by JKCalhoun on Friday April 29, 2022 @02:54PM (#31209238)
OP didn't say kids trust science though. It could be they reject everything. :-(
Re:Is everything falling apart? by heavyset_go on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:16PM (#31209510)
Rejecting organized religion for any reason is a step in the right direction.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by coldtea on Friday April 29, 2022 @04:20PM (#31210160)
Or that's a facile thought, that doesn't take into consideration second order effects and utility, only whether "god is true" or not...
Re:Is everything falling apart? by celticninja on Friday April 29, 2022 @06:54PM (#31211539)
Organized religion is a different kind of societal harm, where personal religion can be good or bad, organized religion will always be a net negative.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by tbrownaw on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:05AM (#31213255)
> organized religion will always be a net negative.

There are clear benefits to organized social stuff. For whatever reason, religions appear to be more effective at this than secular groups. One of the more "fun" theories I've seen is that this is because religious beliefs are often nonsensical and costly.

For large scale events, I'm not convinced that nations that tried to do away with organized religion got better outcomes for it.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by Tepix on Sunday May 01, 2022 @04:37PM (#31228431)
What are you comparing religions against? Boy scouts? Sports clubs?
Re:Is everything falling apart? by coldtea on Saturday April 30, 2022 @12:34PM (#31217208)
Actually, it's organized religion that can be good or bad. Personal religion is a personal affair, which seldom concerns society. But organized religion has been critical in the establishment of laws and customs, ethical change, societal norms, national expression against opression, etc.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by dukeofdoom on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:27PM (#31211779)
Organized religion helped to defeat Communism, and tempered dictatorial control of many despots in the middle east. So your statement is far removed from reality.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by underlying1941 on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:12PM (#31212746)
Seems to me it would be more accurate to say that dictatorial despots helped temper organized religion.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by dukeofdoom on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:33PM (#31213128)
This only works to your benefit if the despot is on your side. Even if you are in the inner circle, despots tend to be very temperamental and murder their own supporters on whims of insecurity. So be careful what you wish for.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by ElectricalUnion on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:22PM (#31212136)
> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

So it literally did nothing, because Communism doesn't exist in real life?

> tempered dictatorial control of many despots in the middle east

[citation needed]

Re:Is everything falling apart? by dukeofdoom on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:34PM (#31212861)
Organized Religion is literally the only organized opposition left under dictatorial rule. Even tyrants have a hard time going around murdering clerics. But you go ahead and believe what you want.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by 93po on Friday April 29, 2022 @07:59PM (#31211979)
> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

Looks like this is helping the argument that religion is a net negative

Re:Is everything falling apart? by nradov on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:57PM (#31213229)
How so?
Re:Is everything falling apart? by 93po on Tuesday May 03, 2022 @09:30AM (#31248056)
I'm a communist sympathizer
Re:Is everything falling apart? by throwawaygh on Friday April 29, 2022 @09:11PM (#31212437)
> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

The cold war propaganda was ratcheted down some time after Gen X; to a super-majority of under-30s, even conservative ones, this probably sounds more like a knave's laugh line than a sincerely held belief.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by dukeofdoom on Friday April 29, 2022 @10:32PM (#31212852)
If that's the case, they have no clue what they're talking about. The Pope literally helped to organize and support the main opposition Solidarity movement. With many churches across the world actively working to end it.
Re:Is everything falling apart? by throwawaygh on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:58PM (#31212353)
Organized religion constrains and directs group dynamics. That's not a defense or indictment of religion; it's just a fact.

Getting rid of organized religion does not get rid of the fundamental aspects of human cognition that give rise to certain types of group dynamics.

Since the 1800s, non-theists have warned that getting rid of religion is not an unmitigated good. "God is dead" was a warning.

Re:Is everything falling apart? by mbg721 on Friday April 29, 2022 @08:59PM (#31212364)
So...a desperate attempt to invent God from whole cloth?
Re:Is everything falling apart? by mistermann on Friday April 29, 2022 @03:47PM (#31209828)
Careful...delusion comes in many forms.